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I own a 2004 GMC with 33k miles.
Last night my designated pumped gasoline in my Duramax.
Gas gauge was in the RED and pumped $20 of unleaded gas.
My truck quit after driving about 10 miles up a montain road.
How much "long term" damage might this have caused ?
Do I dare take it to GMC dealer to drain gas and purge fuel lines
since they might VOID my extended warranty ?
Thanks
Siphon the tank out well and fill with fresh fuel and change fuel filter.
The unit should recover ok. The Durabucks does not use a pump like the 6.5 so it should be ok once you feed it what it likes.
RC
I talked to the Gale Bank Engineering tech guys and told me that if
the engine shut down at idle,they wouldn't be concerned.
The fact that it shut down under a load climbing a mountain
is a concern.
I realize there are other threads regarding this but my concern is the
high concentration of gasoline versus diesel in my tank at the time of shutdown.
Thanks
There will be several here that will preach otherwise, but I say no harm done. My significant other(s) made a habit of pumping the wrong fuel into EVERY Diesel (5.7, 300D, 6.2, 7.3, 6.5, 6.6) I've had since day one. It's gotten much better lately, though.
If you have $20 of #2 in it, that's not much, these days. I say fill'er up, bleed it, and run out the fuel. Fill up again at 1/2 tank, and don't look back. Adding a little extra additive in the meanwhile will help with the missing lubrication. The gas at less than 25% won't hurt anything. At all. If it makes you feel better, drain the tank first, but nothing will be gained.
Anyone that believes otherwise can show up with evidence gas has ever harmed a Diesel engine. If the Diesel concentration is too little, the engine just quits. Only damage that can happen is lack of lubrication if the mix is ran for too long. Add some lube, and don't worry about it. Don't worry about changing the fuel filter, either, unless you think you got some dirty gas. If you think you've never ran gas in your Diesel engine, think again. There will be at least 5% in every tank you pump from your favorite supplier, and most of the time much more. Pull a sample and check it out. You may be surprised.
It's not a good thing to do, but it's done and you are not the first. 9 out of 10 drain, refill, etc w/o issues. Occasionally we hear of the poor guy who paid $15k for a new engine (or submitted to Insurance) which was probably unnecessary.
I think there are a lot of scammers out there that would try to rip a guy off in this position...
Change out the filter as well. I say no harm done.
Pull a couple of the glow plugs, looking for evidence of heat damaged tips - like blisters or fractures. If the glow plug tips appear undamaged, so will the remainder of the engine.
A few years ago I heard from a fellow 6.5 member who (through a mixup at the pump) filled a half full tank the rest of the way with gas. He drove some number of miles till the problems started.... His fresh rebuilt 6.5 was eventually torn down. He reported all eight glow plug tips were burned off and the pistons suffered from heat fractures.
How hard the engine was worked with the gas mixture likely plays a part in what happens, as well as what the percentage of gas is in the fuel mix.
A 100% gas mix probably wouldn't allow the engine to run at all, but some % apparently causes high combustion temps.
I vote drain the tank, fuel lines, and fuel filter. Best not to take a chance.
Jim
Change the filter fill w/ diesel maybe add some additive w/ lubricity qualities, and run it, fill up @ 1/2 tank and enjoy your truck. Our shop has done many, although not an HPCR fuel system, would not think you should have a problem. bob............
Any update for us on this one? I have been hoping to hear good news that you are back up and running!!!
Hello,
I'm up and running fine,which I had no doubts it would.Like I
said before,I was concerned about long term damage.After serious
research, I'm convinced the computer shut my truck down before
any serious damage was done.( I hope).It was suggested to me to
add some ATF to fuel tank but I added a German diesel additive instead.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT
Great news! Glad it worked out with no ill effects.
German fuel additive in a Japanese (Isuzu) descent engine in an American truck. We are truly a global economy in the making...
Well said.
The additive I used is LIQUI (no D) MOLY DIESEL PURGE
Mark,
Don't leave out a Mexican owner LOL :D
Glad to hear that you are up and running again. :)
The biggest problem I have seen with running a high concentration of Gasoline in the 6.6 comes from lack of lubrication in the pump. However as many have said already, you USUALLY will not do any long term damage. I have only had one case where a guy did damage his pump from this, but he filled up in Georgia, and then drove all the way to Daytona Beach for bike week towing his big bike trailer. The lack of lubrication ruined his pump.
For those who DONT know, the reason many of these trucks die from running on gasoline is that gas is not as "thick" or viscous as diesel. As such, when a injection pump is trying to build up the high pressures that the engines may operate on (LMM being up to 180 MPa), gasoline is too thin for these pumps to attain. Remember that these are high pressure/low volume systems. Since you cant get the gasoline to build up the pressures, you either get a shutdown, or the system will set a low pressure code, and then put your truck in "limp" mode which limits mas pressure control solenoid to approx 65 MPa.
That was 2 years ago... (June of 2006).Quote:
Originally Posted by DealerDieselGuy
Where's Skinny Blinky when you need him? :D :D
Welcome aboard to the forum.
maybe skinny is on the dark side :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by NutNbutGMC
I'd agree w/JK. I've had the pleasure(???)of doing that to both my 99 L65 AND the DMAX in the 99. Both times, it took me almost 20 gal(it's a 42 gal tank)before I smelled something amiss(OK, I'm SLOW but remember, I'm OLD). I just went in & bought a gallon of oil, put it in the tank & went on.
The 6.5L ran another 100K before it gave way to the DMAX. The DMAX about 2K w/no problems.
Granted, neither time it ran very far before I added the oil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgTlZIId4cI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuRxgnvHKAI
The polar opposite, but it shows how much work one stupid mistake like that creates :P.
Welcome aboard, and thanks for the contributions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel Enthusiast
While I wouldn't call these "stupid" mistakes, they are mistakes, nonetheless. The recovery methods in the videos aren't the best methods, but got the job done. Like he said, "Fire is good, increases ratings." Not the sharpest tool in the shed, methinks. Seemed he was disappointed it didn't blaze up.
Anyone remember the old Army M113 APC. Multi fuel diesel engine. In a pinch you could use MoGas with 5 gallons of 30 W oil and it would run just fine. Just my 2 cents worth.
a little fyi they will not void the warranty. here is the trick that the dealer uses i know i work for one.:eek:
step1 drain the fuel out useing a hose siphon out as much as you can try to get the fuel guage to read E. change the fuel filter add stanidyne diesel conditioner to the fuel tank and add diesel to system 5 gallons. prime the system and then start let it idle for 10 min and then get it to a fueling station and fill it up again this time with diesel :D. it should be ok. if it is chattering or has no power then you may have a problem. but make sure that you get out as much as you can. make sure that you have some cans to put the contaminated fuel in then you have some fuel for you lawn mower:D
so running gas on accident in a dmax, and it wont blow up right a way wow
Hi,
Just a word that the 25% dilution threshold may not apply to LMM engines.
FWIW.
My dealer says the trucks are designed to downrate the power enough and shut down prior to any damage being done and you should be OK
Dmax,
Very nice having you around. Thanks.
You're welcome, alway.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimpyhauler
Was there a reason you're in THIS thread? Not sayin'?
2006 Chevy Silverado 2500HD, Allison, Duarmax 6.6L:
Put 24 gals of gas into the tank that still had about 1.5 gals of diesel remaining.
Drove 9 miles. Other that a slight increase in diesel noise everything seemed OK. Parked it and shut it down.
Returned to truck 2 hours later, would not restart. Tried 3 times, then flashed back to image of the pump and realized I grabbed the wrong nozzle.
Smelling the filler spout confirmed the error. Embarrassing tow truck ride home.
Fixed it by:
Used a siphon pump and several gas containers to empty tank.
Replaced fuel filter.
Added 5 gals diesel.
When priming filter, I kept pumping until only diesel came out the bleeder port.
Caught overflow in a drain pan.
Ready to try starting. Figured I'd give it 3 tries for 10 secs each.
First and second tries did nothing but crank the engine and further purge the fuel lines.
On the third try it fired up, ran erratic for about 10 secs, then smoothed right out.
Drove to gas station filled it with diesel and normal engine sounds and exhaust smell returned. All seems to be fine now.
Phew!
My gardener just scored 25 gals of free lawnmower gas with a little diesel fuel additive.
A couple years ago I put gas in my diesel engine, it sat for a week or so, it now cranks and runs after I drained the tank and lines but only when you prime the filter, once you quit priming it quits running. What could this be
You could have a leak in the filter housing, allowing air in which shuts it down.
You did good! That's basically what I would recommend anyone do for a situation like yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by pascuzzo
Like what you mentioned, the fuel mixture can be and should be used. It's too expensive to waste. Just use it in an engine that isn't too picky - like a lawn mower. If the mixture is mostly diesel, I'd only use 10-20% of the gas/diesel mix per lawn mower tank and the balance straight pump gas. Jim
So I need allite help here.
So my fuel light came on with range of 64 miles. Stopped and BP talking to my wife, grabbed the green handle and started filling my truck up. My truck was still on, I ended up putting 24 gallons of gas in my truck that's when I noticed it wasn't diesel. I shut off my truck after about 2-3 minutes of idling and got towed to the dealership.
Im curious if anyone knows how much fuel is burned at idle, should I be worried the engine is damaged? The truck was running just fine before I shut it off. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Dustin
Drain the tank and filter replace with fresh diesel and some 2 cycle oil.
Start the truck and use it the way you have in the past.
Gasoline will not damage the engine,if the gas concentration gets to high the engine will stop running because it wasn't designed to run on gas.
About the only damage that could happen would be to the pumps and injectors from the gas being very dry.But for the short amount of time the gas would have been in the system,don't worry about it.
Welcome aboard!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dgause
It doesn't sound like anything to worry about. Let the dealer flush the system and run the diagnostics. They have a procedure for just that. If you didn't hear/see/smell anything remarkable or catastrophic, it likely wasn't an issue. While the fuel system does cycle a lot more fuel than it burns, it isn't really much at idle. It's entirely possible the gas never made it to the pump, or not enough to cause a problem. The key is getting it flushed out and replaced with some fresh #2.
Also, if you have comprehensive insurance coverage, it will almost always cover the expense.