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A quote from that article that I found interesting...
It is a puzzle why a country that imports most of the petroleum it uses would then export a refined product.... Without the diesel exports, what might the diesel fuel pump price be? Supply & demand would seem to indicate a much lower diesel fuel price.....Quote:
The U.S. exported 544,000 barrels of distillate a day in November, up from 81,000 in November 2003.
Jim
I've always heard that we swap diesel for gasoline with Europe.
Matt
http://www.thedieselpageforums.com/p...eselprices.jpg
More gasoline results from the refining process than diesel fuel, when refining the lighter crude stocks. I've read that heavy crude produces more diesel than gasoline.
Per the Department of Energy's statistics in 2004, each year the US consumes roughly 60 billion gallons of petroleum diesel and 120 billion gallons of gasoline.
Jim
More power you are correct WRT heavy crude. The % of heavy crude entering the market is increasing as light crude sources are being depleted. Many US refineries are not designed for the heavier crude feedstocks. This is changing and we should see more diesel in the market. The downside seems to be that many countries are encouraging the use of diesel for environmental reasons and the growth of diesel vehicles is significant in these countries. Here in NA we have not kept pace. While Europe has 3 cylinder diesel autos we seem to think only big trucks are diesel candidates.
That's what I read from gminsidenews.comQuote:
Originally Posted by leolkfrm
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...nd-sierra.html
I'm disappointed about the 4.5, as well. While I'm not ready to buy a new vehicle, yet (hopefully another Sub), I was really looking forward to seeing that new engine in the market.
On the other hand, I'm optimistic that we will start seeing more diesels in NA. BMW, for one, recently announced that they're bringing a 3 series diesel to the US. I'm not sure if Merc currently has one available in the US, or not - but their Bluetec diesel is only about a $1,000 option over gas - the last time I checked, anyway. Here's another interesting thing: greencar.com recently announced their pick for the 2009 Green Car of the year - guess what? It wasn't a hybrid - it was Jetta diesel! Here's the link: http://www.greencar.com/articles/vw-...n-car-year.php
I used to go to the car (truck) lots and look at the new vehicles, I used to actually care what was coming out and waiting for Diesel options in SUV's, smaller trucks, and cars. But I don't get an option, in reality, they don't make a vehicle (none of the big 3) that I'm interested in paying for, for the 5 or more year duration. I really don't go looking any more, just the used car lots for that old 6.2 or 6.5 hiding out abandoned. It's not just because I'm cheap, it's I'm completly un-interested in what they're offering. From the tone in this thread, I'm certainly not alone. I have no desire for another 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck just to get a Diesel, have one, don't want another.
I love driving (lately) of the 1982 SHORT BED 6.2's I have, get's better fuel economy than a new gasser, and it's a cool truck that sounds sweet. Just don't have anything close in new. Piss on GM, Ford, and Goats...
The big 3 should probably just ramp up reproduction parts and keep the older stuff on the road, because their new stuff just plain sucks (sales show it too).
Yep... I have been holding onto my 2007 2500HD Dmax with 6000 miles with anticipation of trading it on a 1/2 ton 4.5L Dmax. Well, after being disappointed again by GM putting a "temporary hold" on the project, I traded it in today on a "white diamond" edition 1/2 ton Silverado gasser. I really have no justifiable need for a 3/4 ton Dmax, but I simply wanted to drive a diesel GM truck. And, I hope I am wrong on this, but I have a fear that all this emissions/politics/GM financial status/eroding MPG's from DPF's/diesel fuel prices/etc.,etc is going to further drive market price of Dmax trucks down; and I didn't want to be stuck with a "potential" 50K pink elephant diesel truck. As mentioned above, I hope I am wrong about that.
Meanwhile, I will keep my ol' 6.5 for daily driving and hopefully someday, GM will jump back on the bus of 1/2ton diesel trucks. (and, hopefullly consumers will be kind enough to welcome the 1/2ton diesel with open arms)
Man, I wouldn't trade off a diesel for a gasser, or buy a new gasser. I'm exactly to the point where I'd hold out for an electric vehicle before I'd buy a new gasser. I don't even like electric one bit. I hold electric cars at a very low regard because in my view the batteries and electric motors (starter) on my trucks are the LEAST reliable component, why would I want a vehicle that is entirely reliant on electric components?
This news of the 4.5 dmax being delayed (cancelled in reality) makes me even more upset the Gov bailed out GM, I wouldn't have...
Heck, look how responsible AIG has been? GM is the same...
I agree, I am not real excited about stepping down to a gasser vehicle, but it just makes more sense for me right now.
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Originally Posted by john8662
Just read a release saying the 4.5L Duramax is on hold! Engineering of the engine is complete but integration engineering into the chassis and all that goes with that process is on hold until GM is in better financial condition. I was looking forward to this engine, not that I was buying but felt like a good market was available for the 4.5L. Grafting one of these into an old pickup say a 50's model would be neat. bob..............
Sorry, I go to another thread below and I see the 4.5 hold by Gm is already being discussed.
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Originally Posted by ccole
traded a 2007 with only 6000 miles on it ? that musta been a trade in hit.....how much did they give you for trade ?
Yep....6000 miles. My dealer (whom takes very good care of me) was hesistant in trading for it, because of the excessively high $$ amount he had to put in my trade-in. I traded for a 1/2 ton '09 LBZ Diamond White that had a higher MSRP than my Loaded LBZ Dmax did when I purchased it new. I do love that white diamond color and no more issues with a DPF. I miss the diesel, but not all of tree-hugging components to make it compliant with EPA.Quote:
Originally Posted by hapaschold
We do not use our trucks for work; they are more for "sunday driving." After dealing with a DPF that has plugged twice in 6000 miles, the truck is basically telling me that we are not driving it as it was intended. More so, I am fearful of the market value dropping on the new diesels due to all of the emisssion components, expected higher fuel, deteriorating MPG and an even higher premium price for being equipped with a diesel engine. If you own a Dmax and can justify the work truck aspect of it, thats great. I wish I could. We use ours as a sunday vehicle and trade often. It just made more sense for us and our driving habits.