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  1. #1
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    Default Starter How to

    Maybe someone will Sticky this so these same old questions will not come up and folks can have far less troubles doing an R&R on the starter.

    OK

    The starter on a GMT 400 truck (88 and later pickups and 92 and later Burbs and 2 door Tahoe with the diesels) is not all that tough to get off.

    The question on the "tail hook", rear support bracket or whatever you wish to call it, comes up all the time.

    This part is an absolute must have to prevent the starter bolts and or the block or both from breaking.

    The "tail hook" bolts to the side of the block and to the little stud on the starter.

    TO remove the starter is an easy matter.

    Jack the rig up and block securely. Next remove the RH front tire/wheel and then remove the rubber inner fender flap. (careful use with a little prong tool may save the plastic barbed button retainers but if not they are an easy score at most parts stores.

    Now, you can sit right there on your tooshy and get at the starter "tail hook" as well as the wireing.

    Once the tail hook is loose and removed, the wires are an easy one too.

    Remove the two main bolts and off comes the starter.

    If the bolts look at all messed up or if they look like they have been off a few times or the "tail hook" is missing then by all means, replace the two bolts with the factory "real deal" parts.

    The factory bolts have a Knurled ring just beyond the threads and this makes the bolt SNUG in the first part of the hole.

    The idea is simple, the weakest part of the bolt is at the root of the thread right near the last thread and with the torque applied to these bolts by the starter, they could break at the threads.

    The holes have a "PILOT" (first 3/8") then the threads, this allows the knurl to help hold the bolt stable in the hole.

    Sooooooooooo, dont use harware store bolts in these holes, not even grade 5 or 8 ones, use only the parts that were designed for the spot.

    So many other bolts on these engines can have standard metric bolts used, NOT HERE.

    Replace the starter as usual, leave the bolts just barely snug, then install the "tail hook" and just snug it up, now finish tightening the main starter bolts, then finish the "tail hook".

    The electrical can be reconnected now followed by replacing the rubber flap, the tire/wheel and your done.

    This is the easiest way to deal with the starters on these trucks. The frustration, busted knuckles and "Blue air" are eliminated

    NEVER RUN A STARTER ON THESE TRUCKS WITHOUT THE "TAIL HOOK"

    If your hook is missing or broken, get a new/another one and get it on there along with two (2) new main starter bolts.

    Your starter and your wallet will be far happier.

    Having seen the carnage that can result from broken starter bolts and broken blocks, I can't stress this enough.

    The above precedure is easy so give it a try.

    Missy
    (1) 1995 Suburban 2500 4x4
    (1) 1997 Astro
    (1) 2005 Suburban (Papa Smurf)
    THIS IS BOW TIE COUNTRY

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    How timely!

    I am and have been running "tailhookless" now for about 10 years(or 6 bolts if we are measuring in "Bolts / miles". Well, ya learn something every day. And learn....and learn, etc.

    I did post a query the other day and I got a quick responce from DmaxMavrick who told me to post haste, get the bracket. I have the bracket and then another question.

    Before I pose said question, is this the said bracket?

    Bracket was purchased at a local GM dealer.

    Thanks and I hope this helps the cause.
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    Last edited by Lanskpr; 02-04-2011 at 16:29. Reason: adding info
    1996 C 3500HD 244,000 miles 9700 lbs Empty(Mulch body w/hoist)
    Jasper Engine installed at 110,000
    6.5 TD
    5 speed trans
    Kennedy FSD cooler mounted on fender New version FSD(Gray one).

    2008 Sierra 1500 Reg Cab 4x4 4.8 L gas

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    Thats the little beast.

    Not much really, just a needed item though.

    Be sure to use the proper bolt in the block. These should be a metric bolt.

    Use a lock washer on it to keep it secure.

    Missy
    (1) 1995 Suburban 2500 4x4
    (1) 1997 Astro
    (1) 2005 Suburban (Papa Smurf)
    THIS IS BOW TIE COUNTRY

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    Just to update. Found some time today to check it out. It does not look like this bracket will work. I will try to get some pictures on Sunday.
    1996 C 3500HD 244,000 miles 9700 lbs Empty(Mulch body w/hoist)
    Jasper Engine installed at 110,000
    6.5 TD
    5 speed trans
    Kennedy FSD cooler mounted on fender New version FSD(Gray one).

    2008 Sierra 1500 Reg Cab 4x4 4.8 L gas

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    Here are pictures of the starter. Hopefully this can help with figuring out what to do, since I have only ever observed the starter with just the two bolts.
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    1996 C 3500HD 244,000 miles 9700 lbs Empty(Mulch body w/hoist)
    Jasper Engine installed at 110,000
    6.5 TD
    5 speed trans
    Kennedy FSD cooler mounted on fender New version FSD(Gray one).

    2008 Sierra 1500 Reg Cab 4x4 4.8 L gas

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    I think I figured it out. As you look at the picture from underneath the starter, you may be able to make out the mounting tab on the front of the starter. It is on the bottom of the starter and hence, useless for the bracket. From there, the bracket cannot reach the block.

    I am assuming the other half of the bracket will use one of the oilpan mounting bolts to attach it to the block. Yes? Cause I don't see anywhere else it would screw in to.

    Therefore, will I need to rotate the silver cap 180 degrees so the tab is up towards the engine? Can that be done?
    1996 C 3500HD 244,000 miles 9700 lbs Empty(Mulch body w/hoist)
    Jasper Engine installed at 110,000
    6.5 TD
    5 speed trans
    Kennedy FSD cooler mounted on fender New version FSD(Gray one).

    2008 Sierra 1500 Reg Cab 4x4 4.8 L gas

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