thank you artwork i know its been a while since ive been on. im in the military and its hard to get 5 min to pop my hood let alone get on the forum. but yes thinking now its an electric issue and possible fuel issue as well. going to start with checking all the wires from ip to the pmd hopefully find some clues. and i should be able to run some codes as soon as my friend comes through with the machine. the thread from CCC has been very helpful almost an identical situation....... o and taking out the huge mouse nest under the intake manifold probably helped aswell. he found a nice home with my block heater wile i was in boot camp haha