Hea Bill, The Catskills is well north of me, real nice area. the Adirondacks is more my cup of tea. My area, ok to not that great. Rush hour traffic and the citys influence give it the not so great factor. When I retire, I want to move back upstate where I can enjoy the warmth of a tightly packed wood stove, have a decent shop to work on my junk, and be able to take a pee off my porch without my neighbors seeing me. HA!