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Old 07-13-2005, 02:06 AM
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Does anybody know what the laws are for towing reqarding a cdl. The reason I ask is because I read an article that said if you race for money(drag racing) that you are considered commercial and that you would be required to have a cdl. I know that if you have a combined weight of 26000 pound(truck and trailer) or that you pull a trailer over 10000 pounds that you need a cdl and that you would be required to carry a log. Here is a link to the website.

http://www.dragracingonline.com/deadon/vii_7-1.html

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Old 07-13-2005, 05:28 AM
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Welcome to the hassles of the commercial vehicle world. You're correct about the CDL requirements for single or combination units over 26,000 lbs gvw. Lots of additional requirements besides just getting the CDL such as: drug testing; annual DOT inspections of truck & trailer; medical certificate every 2 years, etc. For more info you can check the Federal Motor Carrier web site, "fmcsa.dot.gov" and go to "rules & regulations". (Good luck making any sense of these). You can also check with your State Patrol. They should be able to give you a comprehensive and easier to understand list of rules & regs that apply to you. Some state are much pickier than others about enforcement and many people don't go through the trouble to be technically legal, plus, I'm sure a lot of people probably don't know they're required to have a CDL. That's fine if you never get caught or get involved in an accident while operating as a commercial vehicle but you can be in for some major hassles and fines if you do get caught.
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Old 07-13-2005, 07:51 AM
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There are lots of federal regulations for "commercial" carriers. Most hobbiests or RV'ers do not qualify as commercial. Am not familiar with drag vehicles. Getting the appropriate CDL is not to hard and is sometimes a good idea. Less arguing with the authorities on that issue. Save the arguing for weather you are a "commercial" vehicle or not. Written and drive test for the CDL are not that bad. Study the book, and do a little practice on the skills and most people will be ok. Having a CDL does not mean that you are considering yourself a commercial carrier. Do all you can to keep out of that catagory. A private citizen with a CDL can haul 80,000# on the road with out being considered a commercial carrier.
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Old 07-13-2005, 10:32 AM
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Craig M is correct about hobbyists and RVers not being classified as commercial carriers. RVers are exempt from the CLD requirements as long as the units that they are driving/towing are registered as Recreational Vehicles. However, the minute you get involved in doing anything that you are doing to earn money, your vehicle becomes a "commercial vehicle". In "interstate commerce" (traveling across state lines), you are driving a commercial vehicle (assuming your doing any kind of business activity) if the vehicle is over 10,000 lbs! You don't need a CDL until you hit 26,001 GVW but you do need a DOT number and have to have the name of your business or your name on your vehicle.

Here in Minnesota, I know of State Troopers who have stopped and tagged drivers from out of state driving 1 ton duallys (over 10k gvw) hauling snowmobile trailers going to snowmobile races (for profit) because they didn't have DOT numbers or their business name on the truck. Sounds kind of petty but it happens. The rules may be different if you stay within your state boundries. Again, I'd check with your State Patrol for the most accurate info for your particular situation.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:43 PM
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Only in Canada.

I just found out that if your trailer, commercial or NON commercial or RV is over 4,600Kg or 10,120Lb you require an class "A" drivers licence which is for tractor trailers or the 18 wheelers, also your trailer requires a yearly inspection plus as a bonus you are required to pull in at all weigh stations.

The DOT has not enforced this standing law.

So what do you think about those apples.

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Old 07-17-2005, 02:50 PM
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In California, a "Class A" license is required for any Trailer that is over 10,000 pound GVWR. There are two types of "Class A" licenses. One for Commercial drivers and one for Non-Commercial drivers.

If you have a 5th Wheel Trailer, there is small exception to the above. You can get an endorsement for the normal Class C dirvers license if you are over 10,000 pounds but under 15,001 pounds (GVWR).

Without a doubt, the vast majority of the people pulling a recreational trailer (normal or 5th wheel) in CA, that are over 10K pounds GVWR, do not have the correct drivers license. I know a lot of people who are pulling large recreational trailers and not one of them have the correct license.
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Old 07-17-2005, 05:04 PM
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OC If this is true where do I go to take care of this. Cause I dont want to be a law breaker. YAA NOOO. JD
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Old 07-17-2005, 05:40 PM
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OC If this is true where do I go to take care of this.

The wonderful DMV of course!!

Depending on the GVWR and type of your trailer (not the actual load but yes the GVWR), you may need to upgrade your license.

Follow this thread to a webpage on the CA DMV website that outlines the classes:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648pt2.htm

I personally own a 5th Wheel with a GVWR of about 11K pounds (bought it used several months ago - prior to that owned a smaller 6K GVWR travel trailer). I was surprised to learn about the licensing requirements (stumbled onto it by accident), since no one has ever mentioned going to the DMV to take the tests (and I know a lot of people who have large/heavy toy hauler trailers). So I personally needed an endorsement to my Class C license and I took the test several weeks ago at the DMV office in Santa Ana.

What is the GVWR of your trailer and what type is it? (5th wheel or travel trailer)
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Old 07-17-2005, 07:46 PM
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If my memory serves right it is 12500 pds fifth wheel. well have to check this out. What was test like and or about. JD
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Old 07-17-2005, 07:50 PM
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Just looked at that site boy is that confusing. JD
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