Blinder M-10 (Laser Jammers)

[rrocket]

I just ordered a laser jamer.
It generates a light tuned to the same frequency to confuse the laser.
The big thing is it also detects when you are shot, allowing you enough time to slow down, flip the switch off and let the officer get a more acceptable reading.
Not sure if I am blowing $400.00 but the dealer I've been buying from said if it don't work, hed give me my money back.
It's called the Blinder M-10.
Any thoughts or feedback??
Escort and BEL also have units.
Note this is not a "radio transmision" just "Light" in the same band as the laser??
Thanks Paul

[TxDoc]

Here's a thread:

http://forum.thedieselpage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000857

http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=6000

Laser info is down toward the end. Let us know.

They said, regarding laser jammers, " It's a tall claim to be able to jam both radar and laser from a single small box, since these totally different technologies demand completely different jamming techniques. But we gave RMR's expensive jammer its due and made multiple runs against all eleven radar and laser guns on hand. The results were in keeping with past tests of RMR jammers: none of the radar and laser guns had the slightest difficulty in clocking the jammer-equipped vehicle. And at no time did the Black Widow indicate that it was being hit with a radar or laser. The control module did continue to reliably produce its light show, however."

"Now we know why there are no brackets for the jamming transceivers: for all the jamming they were doing out there on the road, they could just as easily have been left in the FedEx box."

And, on radar jammers, I read some things I didn't know before- that active jammers only cover X and K bands, and do not work against photo radar units. They do not work against ka or lasers.

Searching on, I ran across this information:

LEGALITIES
"Jammer makers know customer testing of their product is next to impossible. It's doubtful if you would approach an officer and say, "Officer 1 just bought a radar jammer. Would you turn on your radar gun to see if it works?" In court petitions made to the Colorado Attorney General's office by customers complaining jammers bought didn't work, they were told the Attorney General would not hear cases from citizens purchasing products designed to break the law. Jammer makers offer money back guarantees and speeding ticket reimbursement incentives to purchase. Read the fine print and discover how difficult it is to collect.The best statement on legalities was made by John Reed, senior engineer, Federal Communications Commission, Technical Rules Branch when he was quoted in the El PasoTimes (2/25/97); "both active and passive jammers are illegal and punishable with fines and, in some cases, jail time. Manufacturers as well as jammer owners are culpable. You cannot interfere with radio signals; that's what it comes down to." The fines can be quite heavy, up to $75.000 and/or one year in the federal stammer. Some states ban any type of jamming device-Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, Oklahoma. There are no federal laws prohibiting jamming of laser."

Just out of curiosity, what radar/laser jammers have you found that work?


Here is the page I was looking at, and the text:
http://www.ca-automotive.co.uk/test3.shtml
Jammer Wars


You've seen the ads... "make your car invisible to radar and laser." Sounds like a good deal. Right? It's been almost two years since a major evaluation of radar and laser jammers. Much has changed. New jammers are on the market and new digital radar guns have been introduced. Jammer makers have come out of the closet with ads appearing in Readers Digest, USA Today and every mail order catalog in your mailbox. Speed Labs wanted a new field evaluation... a different approach. This time jammer makers, police agencies, and radar gun manufacturers were all invited to participate.

They all showed up on the pure microwave desert of West Texas. All except one. Although stating the day before the "El Paso test in the El PasoTimes, "El Paso based Rocky Mountain Radar said they would attend...," they did not show. Everyone else was there including the Associated Press, NBC, CBS, ABC, the El PasoTimes, the El Paso Police Department and jammer makers from Chicago, Denver, Seatle, and even Winnipeg, Canada. All radar/laser gun representatives were at the ready with old analog and new digital radar guns. Both laser gun makers were present and accounted for. Speed Labs provided five staff members including one consulting, degreed RF engineer with thirty-five years military radar/laser experience at the super-secret White Sands Missile Testing facility.

In addition to the El Paso testing in February 1997, the entire battery of jammer testing was replicated in Fort Worth in April with Texas Department of Public Safety Troopers operating their radar and laser guns in their vehicles. Jammer makers always try to shoot the messenger when it comes to evaluations. It's difficult to refute the state police's ability to operate their own radar and laser guns. We tested again in May 1997 comparing performance at different elevations and humidity levels and assessing performance in cars compared to large profile trucks. All three field tests were documented on video tape and appeared on ten television news segments and numerous newspaper articles.

LEGALITIES
Jammer makers know customer testing of their product is next to impossible. It's doubtful if you would approach an officer and say, "Officer 1 just bought a radar jammer. Would you turn on your radar gun to see if it works?" In court petitions made to the Colorado Attorney General's office by customers complaining jammers bought didn't work, they were told the Attorney General would not hear cases from citizens purchasing products designed to break the law. Jammer makers offer money back guarantees and speeding ticket reimbursement incentives to purchase. Read the fine print and discover how difficult it is to collect.The best statement on legalities was made by John Reed, senior engineer, Federal Communications Commission, Technical Rules Branch when he was quoted in the El PasoTimes (2/25/97); "both active and passive jammers are illegal and punishable with fines and, in some cases, jail time. Manufacturers as well as jammer owners are culpable. You cannot interfere with radio signals; that's what it comes down to." The fines can be quite heavy, up to $75.000 and/or one year in the federal stammer. Some states ban any type of jamming device-Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, Oklahoma. There are no federal laws prohibiting jamming of laser.

ACTIVE AND PASSIVE JAMMERS
There are two types of radar jammers - Active and Passive. Active jammers sense radar's center frequency presence and transmit back a doppler shift telling the radar gun's computer in one millisecond you are going 0 mph and in the next millisecond 600 mph. The VRCD active jammer received many glowing evaluations from Car and Driver, Automobile, Autotronics and seven other magazines in its ability to jam X and K band radar guns. The VRCD is no longer in production but replaced by the identical RCD made by Phantom Technologies. The scientific principle of the VRCD and RCD is sound and effective. It is, other than releasing thousands of pieces of metal chaff from your car, the only real way to jam radar. Passive jammers claim to mix a modulated FM chirp, not return a strong RF microwave signal to radar guns, thus achieving legality. You won't find this theory in any electrical engineering text book. Try the funny pages! They also claim to return a "special infrared beam with noise" to laser guns, whatever that is.

TESTING PROCEDURES
We assembled an arsenal of radar and laser guns including both digital and analog models. Radar gull representatives police officials, engineers, and Speed Labs staff operated the guns in accordance with established police procedures for range and mode. Vehicles were targeted at the typical aiming points of radar and laser guns of 1/4 mile as marked by cones. Radar guns were operated in the instant-on and constant-on modes. Each jammer was given three runs at each radar band X, K, and Super-wide Ka (a total of nine chances on each band with the three test sites). The same applied to laser. Test vehicle were fitted with so-called laser plates that cover license plates claiming to prevent a laser ticket. Active laser jammers. i.e. Laser Echo, K40's Laser Defuser Plus, Laser Light, and Phantom Technologies' Laser Zapper were evaluated. Passive radar jammers included Rocky Mountain Radar's Spirit, Phazer, Phantom and Phantom Technologies' Mirage 2001. The only active radar jammer was Phantorn Technologies RCD. Texas State Trooper being taped using Kustom Pro Laser If on lest vehicle.

The old Interceptor was not tested, being no longer in production. Each test vehicle was manned by a driver and observer. Video documentation was made of all activities. All test vehicles were in radio communication with the radar and laser source. The results were witnessed by more than fifty people. The field evaluations were conducted over a four-month period covering nine days. Effectiveness of counter measures was assessed in a rural setting near El Paso, and two urban environments, Fort Worth and Houston.

CONCLUSIONS
Field testing concluded that the RCD was effective against analog radar guns, but had no effect on the new digital guns. All passive radar and laser jammers failed to have any effect what-so-ever on any radar or laser gun. You would do as well by putting a pet rock on your dashboard. Two active laser counter-measures; K40's Laser Defuser Plus and Lidatek's Laser Echo were very effective in jamming both laser guns. They both provided total frontal coverage on multiple laser gun aiming points, i.e. license plate or headlights. K40's entry gets the nod as it jammed both laser guns from 1/4 mile down to the laser gun's position. Both devices have in-cabin speakers warning drivers of laser's presence.

Laser Light did confuse the Kustom Pro Laser II for a limited time but the LTI 20/20 Marksman didn't know it was there. The only thing Laser Zapper zaps is your pocket book. Within the normal targeting range of laser guns, 1/4 mile, no license plate cover had any effect on the laser gun's ability to get a quick speed reading. T 3's Technologies T 3 Alpha plate did reduce maxi um targeting range of the laser guns. No device provided any protection for large profile vehicles, 18 wheelers. Speed Labs' results add confirmation to previous evaluations by Car and Driver, Automobile, Autotronics, Corvette Fever and others while providing new results, on new products, and new radar/laser guns.

"Make Your Car Invisible To Radar and Laser." Sounds like a good deal. Right? Wrong! An investment in a quality radar detector like a Valentine One or Bel 855 Sti is a much better choice. Speed Labs has produced a 1 1 /2 hour video titled Jummer Wars covering this field testing. The tape also looks at, radar detectors, new radar guns, and how radar and laser work.

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[rrocket]

So TxDoc

what I read out of that info, is that good "Active" laser jammers are effective.
The unit I am getting has two active emmiters, and two recievers, to warn the driver.
I agree with the conclusion on Radar, LOTS of money would need to be spent, and without FCC license would be very un lawful.
Since the law suit in which a couple police officers won cases saying their manhoods were ruined by the radar guns sitting in their laps, most departments are looking to change over to laser.
Couple that with an good radar detector, BEL 985??,of The V-1 for a lot more money and you've done most of what you can.
The laser emmiter is also stelth.
Anybody have any hands on experience?
Paul

[a64pilot]

With what I do for a living I believe that I'm pretty familiar with radar and laser theory of operation. Jamming radar is really not that hard. To do so you would either need four separate transmitters or you could indiscriminately "barage" jam with only one.
While you were jamming your detector, and everone elses around you would be useless. IMHO it would be very expensive to jam and detect simultaneously.
Laser is very similar as far as jamming is concerned.
The biggest problem as I see it is that as long as your jamming you are a transmitter yourself and therefore your recievers would be blind.
IMHO these jammers should be grouped with intake "tornadoes" and fuel line magnets and other such bunk.
Buyer beware, I'm pretty sure that you are wasting your money on jammers.