Will there be a Duramax Suburban?

[GMC]

I've read a little about the light duty "baby" duramax coming around 2010, but has anyone heard about the 2500 Suburban getting the D-Max?

I remember the Allison woudn't fit under the last generation Suburban/Yukon XL, but I figured with the new GMT-900, GM had the opportunity to make it work.

[DA BIG ONE]

Conversion, to duramax would be nice. As for the floor (hump), a nice removable panel held in w/aircraft fasteners (1/2 turn type) would be ideal way to get that allison to work.

I know my 99 is about 800+ lbs heavier than the newer burbs, guessing it's the chassis and drivetrain.

Yes, I'd buy another newer burb if it came w/diesel.

[D-max Man]

Haven't heard any new news about the Baby D-Max but GM is comming out with a smaller V-8 diesel for 8600 GVW and smaller trucks.

Here is a link to the press release.

http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=74&docid=28147

[hapaschold]

a diesel suburban or yukon would be great ! i d buy one in a minute. the 07 suburbans are fantasic. my boss got one, LTZ ? what a ride.

i see mercedes brought the diesel in the R class and ML class a little early.

[aloharovers]

So why exactly didn't GM put the DMax into the Brub and Yukon?

I mean I am in the market for a new family cruiser and I either need to get a 7 year old burb or an Excursion. I just don't get why they didn't offer the diesel in the SUVs

[Stlheadake]

My guess is the Allison tranny not fitting. Imagine hooking that burban up to that 7 ton trailer and pulling it (and the family, the luggage, the dog, the groceries, plus all the holiday gifts for Uncle Bill and family) across the country. I'd bet the D-max would be up for the job, but I seriously have questions about the old trannies.

I don't know much about the new one. But that's my guess...http://www.thedieselpageforums.com/tdpforum/images/icons/icon10.gif
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[aloharovers]

I don't understand why they wouldn't modify the floor in the same way they do with the pickups.
It just boggles the mind the decisions that car makers make.

[DmaxMaverick]

The GMT-800 pickups (01-07) don't have a modified floor/tunnel. GM's answer was a 2" body lift. It's my guess the high center of gravity of SUV's, and accompanying public controversy, made GM very hesitant to do the same for the Suburbans. You can probably thank the publicity of the Samuri, Bronco II and Explorer for their reasoning.

[aloharovers]

Ahh that makes more sense. Also explains the more ruged stance on the HDs :)

So I guess if someone didn't fear the sawzall and they had a 03 Sub and a wrecked 03 HD pickup the conversion would be straight forward?

[DmaxMaverick]

It's been done.

[JohnC]

It's been done.

And you heard it here first!

Dmax Burb Article (http://www.thedieselpage.com/members/duramax/dmaxburb.htm)

[Colorado Kid]

Even the "Allison won't fit" argument doesn't hunt. They've built the D-max Express Van with the 4L85-E, and I'd own a Diesel Suburban even if I had to take it with a de-rated D-max. It's been "comming next year" since 2001. I stopped holding my breath on 9/28/04 when it became obvious that it wouldn't happen for 2005, and I bought the flex fuel Suburban. It's nice, but I'd rather burn LSD than E85. (Although, the way the price of diesel has stayed above the prices of gas and E85 the last couple years I think I'd have spent more to fuel a D-max.)

[Heartbeat Hauler]

The latest Diesel magazines seem to think that the DMAX is done and that a newer engine design from a different supplier may be an option (hope those are false rumors). I too am in the baby DMAX in front of a 4L85E or the upcoming 6L80E would be a very nice rig. Too bad GM doesn't get on the band wagon. I hate to rag on GM, I know they have their issues and regulations to meet, but throw me a frickin' bone and build it already.....pleeeease!
JP

[Mark Rinker]

If the DMax were done this model year (which I find hard to believe) - I would stockpile, rebuild and run DMax/Allison combos until I retired twenty years from now.

[DieselMonk]

There is a outfit in the states that will convert 00 to 07 yukonXL's or Suburbans with the Duramax Diesel. I called that outfit up once, before I bought my 07 Silverado. There are a few problems to overcome in the Suburban Duramax conversion that one has to think about.
1. The Allison doesn't fit and the Burb has to have a 2" Body lift.
2. The Hydro boost
3. The electronic gas pedal
4. The front and rear air conditioning
Now until here I was fine but then:
5. The computers and modules. That dude that does these conversions had to make his own software to make everything work, so it isn't easy to just yank a D-Max in a Burb, otherwise I would of done mine. Google Duramax Suburban...

DM

[305Monster]

I don't think its that hard just time consuming and a lil expensive. My friend Felix here in Miami is currently working on finishing up a project of his. And every one knows that he is the man when it comes to a diesel conversion, and horsepower in excess of 900. He just finished a Ford Ranger conversion to a 5.9l Cummins with twin turbo and supercharger. And is almost done now with his LLY into a 2005 Cadillac EXT. He is not real big, but when it comes to perfomance and racing people flock to him, I guess thats why he started putting 24.5" rims on regular 3500, F-350, and all other duallies out there since the 90's. Just a lil input

[Buck]

The Allison will NOT fit in the new GMT-900 'Burb, without a body lift of some sort. It was in the latest Truck Trend mag. (if you can believe them:rolleyes:)

GM needs to get off their rears and get a Diesel in the 1500 pickups and the tahoe/'burb lineup. It needs to be capable of 25+mpg and they won't be able to build enough of them. I heard the new 6 speed auto in the Escalades are really nice.....

[More Power]

Regarding a new Duramax Suburban, we've waited in eager anticipation for seven years now. Here are my thoughts...

GM's latest web site (http://www.whygas.com) explains why a gas engine offering in their medium-duty line-up is a worthwhile consideration, and perhaps hints at why GM is not bullish on diesel. The following was clipped from their web site.



The advantages of gas:
1- Gas engines cost less than diesel engines.
2- Gasoline is more universally available.
3- Quiet operation.
4- Good solution for lower-mileage applications.
5- Easy to service.
6- Fast cab heater warm-up.


GM has kept its finger in the pie, and has developed many diesel Suburban prototypes in the past seven years - using both the Duramax 6600 and a V-6 derivative. In my opinion, they haven't moved on it because of a lack of corporate will. Their V-6 was poised to pounce, but when Ford dropped their V-6 PSD, the V-6 Duramax was quietly moved off the table. GM was waiting for Ford to break the ice - i.e. to assume more of the risk in market development.

We've been told the Duramax/Allison won't fit the Suburban without a body lift. GM has said a body lift would make the Suburban more prone to roll-overs. I think these are valid points. All it would take is a change in the die that stamps the floor-pan to accomodate the Allison. But, the Allison is not necessary for a Suburban. The G-series cargo vans are available with the Duramax 6600 and 4L85-E automatic. Why not the Suburban?

Back in 2001-2002 period, I was told that GM was selling all of the gas Suburbans it could produce, and the question was posed to me, "Why would we complicate the manufacturing process by offering a diesel engine?"

If Ford began offering a new diesel SUV, GM would soon follow. They already have the diesel programs, they already have the engines, they already have the prototypes. They just need a little corporate will - in my opinion. So do Ford and Dodge.

Jim

[DieselMonk]

Because the van doesn't have the allison. it uses the 4L80E and thus the 6.6L Dmax has to be derated and everything fits together nice without a body lift. Heck I fried the 4l80e @ 65000km with my 6.0l. :( so much for durability. I would not put a 4l80e on a DMax, derated or not.

[Buck]

you are gonna have failures in the real world... that is just the way it is.

I was reading that Toytoa has bought a 5.9% stake in Isuzu. Last April GM sold it's 7.9% stake in Isuzu. Does this mean the Duramax will come to a end soon, after a contract runs out or something like that.....
Toyota is coming out swinging with their new Tundra...A diesel in the near future. They are hoping to gain more popularity by entering the Nextel Cup this year. Seems people are giving in, I see lots of their vehicles everyday. I hate it when people say Toyota is built in the US, it's American....so what the bottom line goes back to Japan. I would drive a Ford before a Toyota.

[STPETEBLUE]

I hate it when people say Toyota is built in the US, it's American....so what the bottom line goes back to Japan. I would drive a Ford before a Toyota.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/exactly.gif

[StrangeEngine]

If Ford began offering a new diesel SUV, GM would soon follow. They already have the diesel programs, they already have the engines, they already have the prototypes. They just need a little corporate will - in my opinion. So do Ford and Dodge.

Except that Ford already did that with the diesel Excursion and GM, well, did nothing.

Sigh. I'd trade my '02 2500HD in for a GMT-900 Suburban/Yukon XL with a diesel motor right now.

- Mark

[Prestonia24]

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Amen... I refuse to buy Japanese Imports, People always try to tell me "Made in America" blah blah blah... like the Nissan Plant in Smyrna, TN (near where my dad lives). They just laid off a bunch of employees (in america) because the economy wasn't so good (in japan).

So, as was previously stated before: "Who cares if it's made in america, if the bottom line goes to japan?"

[More Power]

Except that Ford already did that with the diesel Excursion and GM, well, did nothing.

The Excursion has been on the knife edge of elimination from day one. GM has been watching... The vehicle is too large, and not fuel efficient enough to secure its place in the market. In general, while guys like the idea of a Superduty family wagon, soccer moms aren't into the big-n-tall long-n-wide diesel mall cruisers. A V-6 diesel Expedition would be a lot more popular.... :) As would a Tahoe or Yukon.

Jim