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DickWells
10-06-2010, 18:45
A year ago last April, up in Oregon, I had a full set of American Eagle 16"X 8" wheels, with BFG Commercial LR-E, Light Truck tires put on our 33' Montana Mountaineer TT. Loved them from the start; still do, ------ but. A shop in Longview, WA put them on, on a Friday, and we motored on down to Florance, OR on Sat. to do some ATVing on the dunes down there. Had to air one of the tires up, before we could take off. It was down again on Sun. before we started home, and had to air up, again. Used some soapy water and a brush, and found a casting void on the inside of one wheel about mid way of the dish. Got it replaced, under warantee on Tues. by the same shop, and the shop owner said it was a "One-in-a-million, but it happens."
Well, I've been back to VT from OR, through WI, and back to TX and THEN, back to VT, by way of OR, WI, etc, and subsequently to AR, by way of WI, again, and every week or so, I've had to add air to one of those assemblies, ever since they went on the trailer. FINALLY, on Sunday, last, I made a rather abrupt stop, when something happened up ahead, near Springfield, Il, and soon, noticed that that location was loosing air. I have Smart Tire sensers in all 8 wheels. Stopped by a truck stop, and went in for lunch. Lost another 10 PSI while away for an hour! Got out a cup of water, with some Dawn in it, and a paint brush. Gonna check the whole tire By Gory! The valve was at about 4 o'clock and I swabbed on some suds. No leak around the valve, but the juice ran down onto the dish, and Holy Cow!, the rim is cracked about 1- 1/2" long along the outside of the dish, away from any radius! So fine, that even with 90psi of pressure in there, it doesn't show. But, that quick stop must have stressed it just enough to open it up beyond what it had been for almost a year-and-a-half.
Called the dealer back in WA, on Tues. and he contacted Eagle, who sent me to a dealer, here in Russellville, AR. I'm getting a new wheel, under warantee. Sometimes you have to think that modern technology is pretty darn great! Never dreamed that I'd get resolution on this thing before I got back to TX, and jumped through a whole bunch of whoops. I felt so good about it all, that I talked to the tech, here in Russellville, and I'm getting yet another rim and tire to match, and puting the sensor inside the new tire, and then into service, while I'll have them mount the old tire on a new rim and I'll have the matching spare that I've wanted all along.:)I've carried two spares ever since 07, and have had two occasions to be glad for it. Went through 2 sets of LR-E trailer tires in just over 2 years! That's why I switched to bigger, better wheels and LT tires. With almost 20K miles of towing, those tires hardly look used. No more trailer tires for the Old Fart. Still, you can't help but wonder how I could have 2 defective wheels out of 5, when the dealer here says that he's seen one with voids, and one cracked one, out of the hundreds of Eagle aluminum wheels that he's sold. Am I jinxed, or what?

Inspector
10-07-2010, 06:13
No you are not jinxed. My story is like this. Years ago I bought a King of the Road 36ft 5iver and for the first year had no problems at all. The first year that Jim did the Diesel Page Rendezvous we headed out for the gathering in Stevensville. We got close to Dillion MT and through the cap from the front right trailer tire. I got it all stopped before the tire blew. Lucky me. I want you to know that I am anal about tire pressrures and check them all before hitting the road everyday that I travel. The trailer was equipped with 16.5 wheels and I had one heck of a time finding a spare after using my spare. 16.5s are impossible to find anymore. Anyway long story short I got to the gathering and then home with a spare under rated snow tire. I took what was left of the tire to the local Goodyear dealer and the first words out of his mouth were "under inflated". I had a Goodyear dealer in Missoula dismount and remount the snow tire and give me on Goodyear headed paper that stated the tire still had 80lbs of air in it when he broke it down. End of story. I got a new tire as well as the repairs to the damage that the cap did to the trailer. No more Goodyears for me. I had two more incidents with GYs after that and changed to Lts on 16 wheels.
Now on the first MH I was forever airing up the tires. They wouldn't hold pressure from one morning to the next. Got rid of the MH. Didn't like it anyway. Now with the Seneca with 19.5s the tire pressure stays pretty much where it should be. I still check them in the mornings when traveling but seldom add air. The Seneca has Alcoas and I think that is the reason for the stable air pressures. They are quality wheels and I believe made in the US. As I remember when I changed out the wheels on the fiver they were Eagles and I had two that leaked as well. They replaced them and I had no more problems. So it seems that we both got a least four out of that million that were bad.
Regards
Denny

DickWells
10-08-2010, 19:57
Well, I found out what was wrong, all along, sort of, today. Another big handful of poop. Good thing I'm a full timer and flexible about where I can be, without a deadline, usually.
Went to put that new, waranteed, wheel on the trailer, this morning and, oh, oh, they hadn't balanced it. And the Smart Tire sensor is in there on the stem side, meaning that the assembly will need at least a couple of ounces on the other side. Pulled it back away from the wheel -well and looked into the inside of the dish, and what-the? Cast right into the web of the spokes back there is, "Max. 2100 lbs", and, in another location, "Max. 60 psi."! I had just checked another trailer tire, sitting in the hot sun at 85 psi, and aired up the new one to the same, since I keep them at 80 lb, cold. Oh, boy, wasn't the old wheel an 80 psi - 3100 lb wheel? Call the dealer, and no, my old wheel reads the same 2100. The dealer up in WA, who sold them to me, thought they were 3040 lb wheels. That's what the Portland, OR, warehouse told him, this morning, with me on the line, waiting. Start checking with Eagle, and it turns out that the 16X8" wheels are, indeed, rated at 2100, and the 16X7" are rated at 3040! So, the dealer in Longview, WA, the tech who mounted them, the warehouse in Portland, and Dick Wells, have all thought that those wheels were rated at 3140 lbs for over a year, and close to 20 K miles of towing! Now, I have every dealer and American Eagle warehouse in the country, scrambling to get me four (or five) new 16 X 7" wheels, and they're not being produced at the moment, so are mostly on back order!
I think they told me that they had located two, up in the NW, and I called the Memphis warehouse, and they have one.
It's Friday, and nobody works tomorrow, so I'm stuck in Russellville, AR, for?
The only consolation, for me, is, that the folks out in Longview, and Portland, are taking full responsibility for this fiasco, which, I guess, they should.
Well, those BFG, Commercial TA's are sure holding up well!

JohnC
10-09-2010, 19:23
Don't put your face that close to the wheel again! ;)

DickWells
10-10-2010, 10:11
Ayyy-men, John! Got a cousin, over in PA, who almost lost a hand, by blowing up a 13" steel car wheel, at the dealership where he worked. Dang thing split the whole flange off at the tire bead. Took a good bunch of muscle and bone chunks with it, on it's way to the garage ceiling.
Three years ago, up in Wells, NV, I was shaving in my trailer one morning, while parked in a casino parking lot, when a huge explosion just rocked the trailer. My wife says', "Dick, you better go over and check that guy. He's getting up and down, and he's got a rag or something wrapped around his hand!" I ran over there, (Over 100 yards away), and this guy had mangled his right hand! Working on a semi-trailer solid, cast alloy wheel, without a cage, or any chain! The ambulance that someone had called for him, second hand, over a cell phone, wasn't dispatched, for some reason, because, it turns out, they didn't know where to go. So, I took his cell out of his pocket and dialed 911. The gal I talked to knew where the casino was, but neither she, nor the EMT's could understand what I meant by telling them to look on the north side of the highway, when they got to the casino! And they live there! So, with me watching the ambulance coming, and telling them to look at me, waiving my hands on the north side of the road, as they drove on by, I told them to stop, and pull in on their left, and please, look up and out in the parking lot, and drive to the guy (me) who's standing there, 100 ft in front of them, waiving at them! They finally got it, and loaded this poor jerk onto the meat-wagon and drove away. I often wondered it he lost his hand???
Got to thinking about that day, after I saw that wheel rating, and realized that I had just put in 25 psi more than the dang thing called for.
Sometimes, someone takes care of fools like me.:o:rolleyes: