Simon, any more info about "new" block?

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Originally Posted by ronniejoe

Simon,

Good investigative work, but this has been known and has been posted here before. The reason there are none is because they have an exclusive agreement with Franklin Power Products as a distributor. Franklin is in the engine remanufacturing business. In speaking with both AM General and Franklin in 2005, I was told point blank that making these blocks available to the public would undercut their remanufacturing business.

It comes down to money...

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Well I guess I am catching on a bit late if this subject has been covered before. I did not know that. But change is the only thing that is constant in the world, but i won't be holding my breath on this one now.

Funny thinking on the part of those people. I would say the more you sell the more money one makes. With so many vehicles powered with 6.5's getting older now , not to many people will be willing to spend 7 to 8000.- on 1/2 a engine ,I aint. they be buying a new vehicle.I ain't doing that either. Lots of opportunity lost I say.
But that's my opinion. different folkes, differend strokes.

I have found out that a lot of countries ( especially Asian area and India too ) do not recognise US Patents and reverse engineer everything from tools, engine parts to drugs and sell them in the US. What I can't figure out is how come the government or customs does't step in and enforce the Patent rights. Maybe the patent owner has to start the process. Or maybe somebody's hands are getting greased to overlook this. I too am cash strapped when it comes to fixing stuff but admit that I do buy some of these items to stretch the dollar but would figure out another way to do it if these were not so readly available. Who wants to go into a dark alley and buy from out of the back of a car. Until they stop this patent infrigment and add tariffs to equalize prices we will see more and more jobs and plants leaving the US and moving to other countries. They have no choice if they want to stay in business. Plus now it seems that all they care about is how much profit thay can make and nothing else. Maybe they will finally realize that when we are all not working and have no money to buy their products
they won't be around either

I can still remember when Walmart use to have banners saying something like proud to be american made. Now most of what they carry is made overseas.

Its a shame that we can't elect politicans that would keep their word to the public as to how they vote on things. The majority don't. Always thought it was funny that they would spend millions of dollars to get elected to a job that may pay a couple of hundred thousand dollars or less.


Sorry to seem that I am ranting on but this is exactly the reason we are talking about the quality of heads, blocks and cranks available to keep our trucks going.


Darkroad

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I can still remember when Walmart use to have banners saying something like proud to be american made. Now most of what they carry is made overseas.

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Won't use union contractors.

Take out life insurance pollicies on their employees that pays Wallymart.

Closed a store in Canada because the employees voted to go Union.

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Originally Posted by darkroad

Its a shame that we can't elect politicans that would keep their word to the public as to how they vote on things. The majority don't. Always thought it was funny that they would spend millions of dollars to get elected to a job that may pay a couple of hundred thousand dollars or less.Darkroad

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Pention = sallary for rest of thier life.

Not on Social Security program (or they WOULD fix it)

Consulting fees, Privade sector jobs after their term in office, speeking fees.............

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Originally Posted by DennisG01

Just wondering if you have verified that you were looking at the the new 6.5 block with the different alloy composition? I think it's molybdenum that's added to the metal?

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I finally went to check out this china block at my local machineshop today.
This block [looks] correct in every way, machining is nice and smooth all over.
there is more meat in the main web area towards the pistons, the main caps are identical in measurement as the pre 2000 caps with the same 10mm outer bolts . The oilspray hole bores are smaller then stock. And on the sales slip it says that the cylinderwalls are thicker than OEM, it also states that the block is a high molybdenium alloy. It carries a year warranty.
And I got the owner to admit that he bought it from RJ Performance in Calgary.

I also found a Fellow in Edmonton who sells the same blocks for 1200 cdn.
He also claims to have used AMG hummer blocks , taken out of militairy humvee's that he gets from the states.$ 800. cdn
I have to go and check that out.

Mayby an other wild goose chase?

Hey Simon, curious to see if you checked out this guy in Edmonton yet? I phoned rj-perf in calgary yesterday and they want $1650 for this "AMG" block so 1200 seems like a deal. Reason I ask is I am in need of a new block and so either 800 or 1200 is cheaper than 8000 for a new one from the dealer, and I live in Edmonton so i could check out the "used ones".

I have a 2005 AMG engine from Peninsular and I can say that the block is far better then the older blocks. The outer cylinder walls pertrude into the lifter valley and the main caps are .200" thicker.

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Originally Posted by Chicago TDP

I have a 2005 AMG engine from Peninsular and I can say that the block is far better then the older blocks. The outer cylinder walls pertrude into the lifter valley and the main caps are .200" thicker.

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I believe those amg blocks are better, but thickening the maincaps does nothing for blockstrengt

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Originally Posted by deiseltranstech

Hey Simon, curious to see if you checked out this guy in Edmonton yet? I phoned rj-perf in calgary yesterday and they want $1650 for this "AMG" block so 1200 seems like a deal. Reason I ask is I am in need of a new block and so either 800 or 1200 is cheaper than 8000 for a new one from the dealer, and I live in Edmonton so i could check out the "used ones".

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NO i did not have the time yet.

Here is the name and ph # Oncore automotive, 433-9217 Edmonton Give me some feedback please.

Good luck Simon

Sounds good Simon, thanks for the phone# hopefully I can get to them in the first part of the week, I will take the digital camera and post pics when I get a look at these blocks, sounds like your from around Edmonton-area ? I live on the south side and work in nisku/leduc at Romaniuk Chev, seems to be a number of Edmontonians/Albertans here, we should have a "get together" sometime this summer.

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Originally Posted by simon

I believe those amg blocks are better, but thickening the maincaps does nothing for blockstrengt

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Not just the main caps though, the webbing is also thicker to match the main caps.

Do you have a measurement of the total thickness of the main webs?

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Originally Posted by deiseltranstech

Sounds good Simon, thanks for the phone# hopefully I can get to them in the first part of the week, I will take the digital camera and post pics when I get a look at these blocks, sounds like your from around Edmonton-area ? I live on the south side and work in nisku/leduc at Romaniuk Chev, seems to be a number of Edmontonians/Albertans here, we should have a "get together" sometime this summer.

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Peace river is just a wee little bit north .

Ah- I see.... hense the reason you haven't checked this place out yet.
Well I phoned there today and talked to Gary, going tommorow to check it out, says he has a "hummer" block that needs a line bore for $800.00. so I guess we will see tomorrow.

I should be seeing one of the blocks from Diesel direct soon.
Tbey gaurantee the block for 1 year unlimited mileage.
Thier heads are two years unlimited mileage
The forged cranks are 1 year unlimited mileage.

Supposed to be US made and machined here too.
As soon as I get to see one we will get the casting numbers and markings and sort out where it came from if we can.

I think that all the suppositions need to cool a little until we get to cast the evil eye one one of these little creatures and then we can pick it to pieces.

Far too much speculation without verification to be reasonable.

We shall see.

I can say this that the set of heads that I got from Clearwater are working fine. They have almost a year on them now and no issues yet.

I will be very honest, they have not been subjected to any HARD usage.

Robyn

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Originally Posted by robyn

I should be seeing one of the blocks from Diesel direct soon.
Tbey gaurantee the block for 1 year unlimited mileage.
Thier heads are two years unlimited mileage
The forged cranks are 1 year unlimited mileage.

Supposed to be US made and machined here too.
As soon as I get to see one we will get the casting numbers and markings and sort out where it came from if we can.

I think that all the suppositions need to cool a little until we get to cast the evil eye one one of these little creatures and then we can pick it to pieces.

Far too much speculation without verification to be reasonable.

We shall see.

I can say this that the set of heads that I got from Clearwater are working fine. They have almost a year on them now and no issues yet.

I will be very honest, they have not been subjected to any HARD usage.

Robyn

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I ain't in a hurry yet, i will wait and see what you think of it altough i have seen one already and it looks good, the only thing i don't like is that the maincaps and bolts are the same size and locations as the stock blocks.

I am working on a cast girdle, see my tread on that one.


I got 2 heads out of a 99 for free, no cracks, will they fit the new blocks or a 98 for that matter??

Simon

All the parts will swap across the line, even the 6.2 stuff will fit with the exception of the very early heads I think.

seems to me that the real early 6.2 heads had an extra water passage, not absolutely sure though.

All the late stuff will be fine.

Wev are supposed to be seeing that block soon. :D

Just as soon as we get to poke it around we will get the info up here for all to see.

Robyn

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Originally Posted by robyn

All the parts will swap across the line, even the 6.2 stuff will fit with the exception of the very early heads I think.

seems to me that the real early 6.2 heads had an extra water passage, not absolutely sure though.

Robyn

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All 6.2L/6.5L heads will swap and bolt on to any 6.2L/6.5L block. The early heads did have an extra water passage, but it won't prevent using them on a later block...they serve no purpose except to leak sometimes when used with 6.5L gaskets. The very first heads, '82 models, have coarse-thread injectors, so I would stay away from those, however. Injectors will interchange on '83 and up heads.

Casey

Newb here, Also from Edmonton...

I was within an hour of sending my Visa # to the Calgary Guys selling the " Genuine AMG longblock" ! I decided to buy a membership here and sign on with hopes of discovering the source of these blocks. Thanks to the members here I apparantly have dodged a bullet! I was told by the guy at _ performance that these were genuine AM General blocks. I made the point clear that I am a single Dad whom will be travelling with my 3 young sons this summer and could not afford risking a breakdown on a lonely stretch of highway with my 5th wheel in tow. He proceeded to tell me all about the difference between his Hummer blocks and my inferior 93 599 block. I don't know how some people go through life lying and cheating, even if their not smart enough to run an honest business...

I had a 97 TD 3/4 ton 4x4 in 97 and went through 3 ip's and broke the crank at 85,000 kms. GM blamed the fuel pump problems on bad fuel from Northern Alberta and the crank problem was from towing too much? Anyway I went to a CTD Dodge after that with good results. Recently I decided to buy a 1 ton dually to be used for towing only and found a beautiful 93...with a blown crank. I am currently scanning this very informative website to familiarize myself with the lastest info on the 6.5TD and ways to make it last this time !

My membership has likely paid for itself many times over now that I have been warned about another opportunist lying about the source of his products!

My family and I Thank You all !!

Rob Staples

I certainly dont blame you at all..

I look at it this way, if your gonna sell stuff at least be honest about what it is you are selling.

The old 599 blocks were not all that bad. Some did break and some lost cranks.

Gm like all big manufactures had a 5 gallon pail of excuses as to why everything that goes wrong is somehow the customers fault. :rolleyes:

yeah right you towed too much :eek:

How can you tow too much :confused:
They had issues.

I have a friend that has a 96 GMC 3/4 ton and tows a 32 ft 5th wheel. He and his wife live full time in their 5th wheel and travel all over.

That truck has 340K on it as of last week when I saw him.

All he has ever done to it is do regular service (oil, filters ect)

The truck still has the original IP and PMD (still on the pump too)

Go figure.

He tells me that on a hot day and working the sucker hard coming over the Grape Vine on I 5 out of LA the temp gauge sits right on the 250 mark. :eek:

You could not get him to say one bad word about a 6.5.

He has had a really good one for sure.

Must have been a Thursday truck. :D

Robyn

I have a set of those coarse thread injectors in the closet somewhere.