tjmac77 can I ask what you paid for the 4-53T's
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tjmac77 can I ask what you paid for the 4-53T's
I am also a huge Detroit fan, thetechnology used to invent them in the late 40's is 100% amazing, quick reving engines- you tube is packed with tons of awesome videos of everything from 1-53 generator to a huge 12v71tt truck puller. Even a 16v92 and a 24V92 on some navy ship! Just type the engine code you want to see in the search field and your set.
Now for my project, i am set on a simple Allison 545AT but the engine? here are my choices for light weight screaming jimmy's:
6v53Turbo
6v71turbo- same physical size as the 53? just more of a bark and 2600 redline?
4-71
OR
what about a cat 3208 turbo?? its just a tiny bit longer than a 7.3 block!!??
Take a old abused beat up 1987-1994 F350 and drop a cat 3208 and Allison 545 right in?
I'd love to see it. Post up some pics when you get started!
DeezilDoc,
You mentioned a while back you had a 4-71 that needed rebuilding, and had an automotive bellhousing with it. Do you still have it? Do you have any other Detroits that you're willing to part with?
Looking to build myself a truck, but some of the wreckers around here don't take me seriously, and the others don't have any engines (good or bad) at all. The smaller Detroits seem to be a little scarce around here.
If your feeling up to it, send me an email.
ssapach@hotmail.com
Thanks
I've never heard of an automotive bellhousing for an inline 71 series engine. Seen them for inline 53 series though.Quote:
Originally Posted by gophergunner
Highway vehicles,Trucks AKA 18 wheelers are automotive. An easy way to identify is by model #'s the 4th deigit in the model # will tell you what application the engine was built for, this is in the General Information section of ALL the service manuals
Sorry, I misunderstood. Automotive vs marine bellhousing, both being SAE. I was thinking you meant automotive such as SM465/chevrolet bellhousing.
I just came up on a few 6v53's because of a re-power at work and I was considering dropping one in my '77 C30. I think it'd be hot. More of a novelty and not for any real hard core, serious towing more than 10k pounds. I pull a 7k pound skid steer and a 25' travel trailer occasionally. I just want something that will be a little better on fuel than my 454.
Any advice, ideas, encouragement or otherwise?
Anyone....
Just do it!!
i agree.........i'd do it!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5NOVA
Back in the late 70's i was helped my boss put a 453 in a 77 4wd 1/2 ton suburban. The biggest problem we had was that the engine wasn't working hard enough and would glaze the cylinder walls. He used it as a dd and he pulled trailers often. He put a scraper engine in it first then he bought a brand new engine and we put it in, we had to tear it down after a couple of years and deglaze the cylinders. These engines want to work hard. It was a lot of work to install an a lot of BS to deal with, I had to make a custom oil pan to clear the front diff and we had to make are own bell housing, he used a chrysler 727 with a factory overdrive unit on the back of it, I think it was an od could have been a u/d (long time ago:confused:) anyway that was the only trans like that i ever seen.
Good luck doing the conversion and I hope you still like detroits as much when you are finished, O yea invest in a good set of ear plugs because the don't call them screamin detroits for nuthin
Good luck
If I can be of any assistance let me know rhrepairs@aol .com
Ron
hi, im wondering if anyone has considered using a 3-53 in a jeep wrangler, i have a 91 YJ and would love to put a detroit in it. does anyone know also, if the 3-53Ts used in the gama goats were 4 valve head engines?
what would you use as a trans in such a conversion on a jeep wrangler?
I have been working on a 353 Gamma Goat engine going into a 85 Chevy K20 for a while and I finally finished. I like it, its loud as can be, and it won't run but 60, and you can't run 60 and hear yourself think at the same time, but other than that its great. I bolted it to the stock 4 spd since the bell housing and clutch was still on the motor. The main problem was the radiator sits lower than the engine and I had to make a new filler in the top radiator hose to get the head to fill all the way up with water. I will try to post some pictures. It sits about 3 inches from the axle and about 3 inches from the top of the hood, so the thought of getting it into a jeep is doubtful
Wow, can't wait for pics!!!! If you get a chance, please give a pic or two of the motor mounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by andysfords
Hi. I am an avid detroit diesel fan too and have put a 4-53T in a 1964 chevy suburban 4x4. It wasn't easy but worked okay. I was pretty happy with it overall. I have some part numbers for the bell housing stuff and info on the dimensions for the 4-53 engine if you are interested. Good luck. You may have already done the conversion by now! Scratch my head!
Hi Gophergunner. I have been reading the posts here and may have some help for you with the trans. part numbers for the 4-53. I have a 53 series SAE #3 housing too if you are interested. It is the housing that has the round opening for a trans with the SAE bolt pattern with 17 inch bolt to bolt pattern. The adapter adapts the rear housing of the engine to a standard GM bell housing to bolt up to a 4 bolt manual transmission with clutch and all. Not sure if the part numbers are valid anymore though. The adapter uses the standard rear trans mount across the frame. Good luck!:)
Well thanks for the info, but sadly my hopes and dreams of a Detroit powered pickup have been put on hold due to going back to school and spending too much time on my off-road project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liftgate
But i will keep this in mind if or when my project ever does fire up.
Here is some info for anyone interested in the dimensions of a detriot diesel they are contemplating for a conversion into a vehicle.
http://www.powerlinecomponents.com/l...c_drawings.htm
Here is some info on the specs of the detroit diesel 2 cycle engines.
http://www.powerlinecomponents.com/l..._brochures.htm:)
hey every one i am a little lost with my Conversion i have two motors 4-53 and a 4-71 Detroit's and i really don't know what one would be best and could i also use my 5 speed manual tranns that's in the truck now witch is on a 350 and also what about the weight and the rear end so if anyone got any tips i should would be thankful
:confused:
Given that you have a 1500, I doubt that the NV3500 you have right now could take the kind of torque that it would get behind these engines. As for your rearend, you have either a 8 1/2" rear or if you have a 6 bolt 1500, you have a 9.5". The 9.5" would stand up better to a diesel for sure.
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Originally Posted by 6.5 Detroit Diesel
but would the tranny fit it ????
I cannot be certain about the Nv3500 bellhousing bolting up to the 4-53 Detroit. That's the least of your worries, getting the correct clutch and flywheel to go with that would be a nightmare!Quote:
Originally Posted by MRHELLBILLYDELUXE
The Nv3500 is also not the strongest. From another gasser truck forum I have seen them grenade with just a little over 500 ft.-lb, they are only rated at 300 ft.-lb. from New Venture.
From what i can remember the 4-53 Detroits came with a Clarke 280 Vo 22 5 spd. with overdrive as one option.
As for the rear, the 8.5 inch 10-bolt that is in your Silverado is not going to handle the torque. I am almost 100% sure GM equipped a 14-bolt SF rear that came with 6-lugs. They are very rare and $$$$$, I know I have been looking for one. These rears are almost a bolt in. Otherwise you will have to look into alot of fabrication.
Ask this guy what he did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3qyR2z8xEs
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Originally Posted by Rafedial1
so what would be the best way to go with the tranny and the rear?????
Hello HellBillyDeluxe. Maybe I can help you. I am talking about the 4-53 engine. What model is it? I put a 4-53T in a 1964 K10 suburban and it worked okay. I added 2 leaf springs to each side in the front. The rear was the original 10 rear end. I put different gears in it. I used 3.07:1 ratio gears. It held up fine. The trans was a manual 4 speed with granny low. It held up fine. The engine I used had N-50 injectors. What size does yours have? That might make a difference. I have GM part numbers for the adapters for the manual trans from engine to trans/bell housing but they might not be available anymore. It bolts up to the original crossmember for the trans. I have the part number for the flywheel too. It uses an 11 inch clutch and pressure plate I think. It is the original clutch size for my truck. You will need a return fuel line to the tank. I have my engine out now for a rebuild with cross-head pistons. Hopefully I can get it running again this year. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions!:)
wish i had pictures but my dad and his cousin put a 6v53 in his 78 c30.
bent something upfront slightly...went through front tires in about 1500miles.
they said it bolted straight up to the 4spd trany.
my plans for the truck were to go to a drivetrain from one of these
http://www.wnutting.com/Alderfer/gol...tDumpTruck.jpg
http://www.prairietruck.com/inventor...=1995455&img=1
http://www.murphyauctions.net/images...e06may/131.jpg
i've since picked up a 95 6.5 k2500 and gave my dad his truck back.
i would in the future like to get one of these K3500HD's with a crew cab and put a regular pickup bed on it.
then stick a 6v in there.
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Originally Posted by journeyman
I worked at a Detroit Diesel/Allison shop for years. The rotors inside the blower are shaped differently on a 53 series than the other series Detroits (71, 92, etc). The 53 rotors are straight while the 71 are twisted into a spiral shape. That's why a 53 series is louder than a 71, the extra noise from a 53 is coming from the blower.
I am now on the hunt for an aluminum block Detroit Diesel. In fact, an engine with aluminum heads and front/rear covers would be ideal.
6V-53 preferrable, but I am also considering a 4-53.
Obviously, I'm willing to pay shipping costs to get it here, so then naturally aluminum would be nicer for that as well.
Running or not, if its an aluminum block I would like to get my hands on it.
Thanks.
Since we're on the subject of aluminum Detroits, here's a pic of my aluminum 4-71 in my 1 ton Silverado.
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...1/IMG_3449.jpg
A lot has been done to the motor (ceramic coated piston domes and teflon coated skirts), Jet-hot coated exhaust (and turbo), etc. It will also be intercooled. I have a 10 speed Roadranger to go behind it.
Keep us posted on your 4-71 build please. I to am considering the same engine for a Ford F-450 4X4 conversion in the future. Was going to to go with the 4-53T with an RTO6610, but am now looking at the 4-71T with RTO6610 or RTLO14613. The only drawback I can see with the 4-71 is the weight. The difference is around 600 pounds with the transmission, which is a fair amount. I can easily get a front differential that can take the weight, but the main problem I see is getting stuck off road? Weighting for someone who has done this for some feedback for offroad applications. The last thing I want is to get this truck stuck up to the bumper and have to try and tow it out of the bush. lol
That's why I went with an aluminum motor.Quote:
Originally Posted by A-310
Have you weighed the cast iron block and compared it to the aluminum block? Just curious as how much savings there is?Quote:
Originally Posted by ARAMP1
A-310, I ran a 3-71N off and on for 10 years in a 79 Chevy crewcab. Some times I used a 454 and some times I'd put in a 6.2 diesel. I liked it real well but it was very heavy in the front. It was 2WD and when you got off the road you might as well forget about going very far. I was hauling boy scouts into a camping site and had to go up a small hill and it was a little wet and I just barely got started up and lost traction. A little 4WD Toyota had to pull me in. You have to have an overdrive transmission or very tall tires to get any road speed with a 71 series. I had a 25% overdrive and 3.21 1 ton axle. I now have a 4-53T in the truck with a 5 speed direct drive transmission and a 3 speed auxiliary that is abot 27% overdrive and still have the 3.21 axle. It's been in there 13 years with no other swaps.
A 4-53T weighs 1300
3-71N 1525
4-71N 1780
4-71T 1830
6V53N 1485
6V53T 1695
I believe the best one to go with is the 4-53T, mine is supposed to be 170HP and it definitely runs better than the 3-71N did.
You will have to make motor mounts and brackets to mount the belt driven accessories. This forum http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitDiesel/ has a lot of good info for Detroit swaps. They say your RPM at cruising speed, say 65MPH or what ever speed you plan to cruise at, should be 2,200- 2,300 for a 4-53N and 1,800 -1,900 for a 4-53T. That's where you get the best economy.
My avatar is the 2 transmission in the truck.
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Originally Posted by oshpunit987
Thanks for the info. As much as I love the 4-71T, I have decided to go with the 4-53T and a Fuller RTO6610 for my project truck. Recurring nightmares of getting the 4-71T stuck made up my mind, LoL. I've found a 1987 Silver 4-53T that runs but needs an overhaul, so will be purchasing it in the next few days and having it shipped to my dads shop. I think it will have all the power I need, so that's what I've decided to go with. This is a long term project, (3 years) until I get back to Canada, so at the moment I'm collecting all the parts for the build. I'll post some pictures of the engine and a video of the first start before I overhaul it. Thanks again for the help. Do you have any video's or pictures of your setup?
A-310
P.S Sorry for hijacking this post
I don't have any videos but I have a bunch of pictures. I don't know how to put them on here but I could email them to you.
That would be great. My email is emerald310@gmail.com. Thanks A-310Quote:
Originally Posted by oshpunit987
I'll take some pics too if you got 'em!
aramp1@gmail.com
hi everyone! this is my first time on this so i dont really no how it works. i joined because i wanted to find out more info on detroit swaps into trucks. i have a 59 chevy one ton with the original napco 4x4 and i wanted to do a 4-53t swap. i was wondering where i could find a bell housing to fit a clark 5 speed? and also i need to find out where i can get a flywheel and a clutch? i wanted to locate all this kinda stuff before i started the project.
Hey guys & girls, I was hoping someof you here may have some experience and recomendations on this......
So I had been planning on dropping my spare Humvee 6.2 into my truck (86 GMC 3/4Ton 4x4 6.2L+th400+4:10's+AC all stock) when my orginal 6.2 siezed up. The problem is that when i dis-assembled the Humvee 6.2 to put new gaskets throughout I found spun rod bearings in #1-2 and a badly damaged crank. I just don't want to spend the money this year on a new build up.
So I have 79 2wd 1/2Ton that is very rusty with a bad th400 but a really strong Goodwrench 350DX unfortunately the milage is unknown but speedo says about 150k+ miles just have no idea when the engine was replaced during that 150k so the engine has something less than that, 75-100-125 who knows. it starts easy, runs great, gets great fuel milage.
I see the th400 bellhousings are different on the two trucks and the position of the engine mounts is different, and of course 6.2L truck is a 4x4 while the 5.7L truck is 2wd. It seems the biggest challenge is that bellhousing because of the position of the 5.7 vac pump and I'm not sure about bolt patterns matching up? (5.7 has the dip in the top of the bellhousing, th400 has the peak at the top).
Is there anyway to put the 5.7L into the 6.2L 4x4 truck with the chev th400 bellhousing? Has anyone done this before? Is there anything else to be aware of with this conversion?
This would be a short term temp setup until I rebuild the 6.2L next year sometime.
Also what about fitting a 6.5 TD into this 86 6.2L 4x4 w/AC? easy or hard?
Anything you can tell me would be great, thanks.
Thomas Taylor