Injector Replacement

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07-24-2003, 14:37
mackin

It would go from Hoot to Hoodge....

He wouldn't buy a Ford in it's current condition .... He knows I'm breaking his marbles ...

My opinion, might not mean much, is the fuel system the Duramax possess is a top notch system that may be hampered by poor American fuel quality, and some perhaps manufacturing quality mechanical issue that "I feal" will rear their ugly head early on, as any mass produced part is susceptible too .... Nothing is perfect,failures will occur ...

Long term longevity wouldn't hurt to add some additional filtering capabilities, "if" and when it's proven to actual make a difference ....

Mac
07-24-2003, 15:32
hoot

Hoot said: Injection failures are occurring at a relatively high rate, is that a fact?

MP said:
Define "relatively high rate". Where's your data to support your definition?

Wait a minute... I asked a question. ;)

Hoot said: How about the 6.5 TD injection pump nightmare. Don't you think GM could have done a few things differently?

MP said:
Yes, I agree, it was a poorly designed fuel injection pump. I chose to be constructively engaged in helping solve problems, and we've written extensively about the pump's deficiencies and provided information designed to reduce failures. Whining wouldn't help anyone.

Squeeky wheel gets the grease. It's all good stuff but the other side of the coin is GM solving the problem, not just the customer. Take the Delco batteries as an example. That problem has been around for a good 5-10 years. My 2001 had a bad one. I realize I sound like I'm whining but that's not a good enough reason to shut up about it. Talking, whining, complaining.. call it what you wish. How about we just hush hush and fix the problems as they arise ourselves.

Hoot said: The question is will the real truth surface here anytime soon?

MP said:
You'd just think it was part of another conspiracy...... Just like when I explained the "real truth" to you about the image/link issue here in the BB. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And Broker put 468,000 miles on his 2001 Dmax. Never said it was a conspiracy, just wanted to see it. Still vaporware.
07-24-2003, 17:37
BADMAX

I WORK FOR A CHEVY DEALER AND WE HAVE HAD ONLY 2 TRUCKS IN WITH INJECTOR PROBLEMS 1 01 1 02. MILAGE 45,000-55,000 BONE STOCK. I ASKED BOTH OWNERS IF THEY HAVE EVER CHANGED THERE FUEL FILTERS,THEY SAID NO!!!!!!!!!!!! BOTH WHERE WORK TRUCKS THAT GOT THERE FUEL FROM ANY PLACE THAT SOLD IT.
07-24-2003, 17:52
BROKERS

Hoot,(Mike H.) :confused:

I cant believe what i'm reading, DUMP'EM before 100K !

Guys , i know alot of you hate me,but get a grip.

I posted this problem with mods on another board way back in 02(HOOT READ IT).I know alot of guys with no mods and working the D/A combo and no problems.I posted on fuel filtration back in 01 also.I filterd all my haulers since my first Dodge in 94.

This is not news! If you play you pay. Is see so many abused D/A's at auction that dealers won't even bid on them .They pay more for a 8.1l/A.

I'm going to Framingham MA Adesa tomorrow and i'll post what they went for if they sold.

Tom L.
07-24-2003, 18:28
hoot

Brokers (dispatcher) I remember asking you what filters you used and it was like pulling teeth to get anything technical out of you. That I could never figure out. Plenty of posts about your latest rides though.

What do you know about mods and how they efect injectors? Please tell.

Maybe injectors aren't a problem.
Broker, keep us up to date and informed. :rolleyes:

[ 07-24-2003, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: hoot ]
07-24-2003, 19:02
BROKERS

Hoot (programmer). I most certainly will!

How about that offer for your truck?Before you turn a perfect 6.6l into a 6.5l BY-WORD-OF-MOUTH!

PLUG&PAY ! :rolleyes:

What's left? the 6.0PSD and 6.6lDura are junk now?
Do i smell a Dodge in your future? You will be the first rat off the ship,if you think it's sinking!

Hoot always "TWISTING IN THE WIND"!

Good luck.

[ 07-24-2003, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: BROKERS ]
07-24-2003, 19:09
hoot

Quote:

Originally posted by BROKERS:
Hoot (programmer). I most certainly will!

How about that offer for your truck?Before you turn a perfect 6.6l into a 6.5l BY-WORD-OF-MOUTH!

PLUG&PAY ! :rolleyes:

Oh yea... don't talk about Dmax problems. It'll turn into a 6.5... or should I say 6.0 PSD at midnight.

None of this BS changes the fact that a large group of us are concerned and have taken steps to control the cleanliness of our fuel.

There were extensive studies that CAT had done for them that showed todays fuels are loaded with particles in the range that will prematurely wear high pressure injectors. Either the injectors are fine and the fuel is dirty the injectors aren't able to last as long as we'd like.

More Power,

What do you think? Do you think there is anything worth talking about here or is it one of my conspiracies?

[ 07-24-2003, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: hoot ]
07-24-2003, 19:14
BROKERS

OH,HOOT when the clock strikes midnite! Don't jump into your pumpkin!

Get a grip.You will turn The venerable 6.6l into a 6.5l !I give you 6 months and you will get it done.This topic is on other forums already.
Hoot-the-dmax-king-has-spoken,"Dump your dmaxes before 100k!"
07-24-2003, 19:21
hoot

Broker,

You don't talk about the Juice detector anymore. What happened? Somebody zip your lip ;)
07-24-2003, 19:21
sdaver

he's back :confused:
07-24-2003, 19:22
BROKERS

I don't believe that there is an Injector issue.
It's a fuel issue.Then again bring on the power by plug &p(l)ay ,which puts the engine design right out the window.I got no injector issues and you know it,you have asked me for over 2 years about it.

Hoot what ever,we get them to run and that is all i care about.

Yes the 6.0l PSD has been my worst diesel ownership experience to date!Ford has it more than we have it!
07-24-2003, 19:24
BROKERS

When i recieve mine ,i'll make sure to get into mackins hands.

Hey look at my number of posts? Stuck at 144.
Iguess i'm booted at 145?

Hoodge you'll get your wish yet.

Hey i bet the other board where you get $00.05 per hit is earning you some good cash after everything you have created.794 views in 60min!

[ 07-24-2003, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: BROKERS ]
07-24-2003, 19:59
JoeyD

Quote:

Originally posted by Maverick:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> If the resale will dump at 100k, I am interested in anothe truck

I can't even give my truck away. Nobody's interested. At 122,000 miles, it is relativly low miles for diesel. What to do. :( [/QUOTE]Maverick, You could give it to me.
07-24-2003, 20:31
dmaxalliTech

Boy, how come everything in this forum gets me laughing? hehe. I remember Brokers talkin about his 'detector' while I am not sure if such a thing exists, the numbers that were on 'it' were good, I dont remember exactly what they were but they did jive with stuff that sounded familier....

I belong to the International Automotive Technicians Network (iATN) and each day I recieve about 30 emails from around the country on GM engine, transmission, and drivability problems. I have a large amount that I have saved from different shops that have had injector issues on stock trucks, The last fellow I talked to had a truck in with 245,000K on it. I know also from talking with GM TAC and many instructers around the country for GM that there are injector issues. Sure, I agree that boxes etc. may add to to the problem and agree that you pay-to-play..Remember TLA and his issues with his truck? Failed injector with no juice on it at time (alledged no juice at time) failed injector took out motor. I can think of 6 trucks with out even trying that have come in for injector issues, all bone stock. Injector problems seem like a big issue with these trucks but for the number of them out there I think its minimal overall. I have to remind myself that being on a forum like this is going to bring out alot of customer feedback that would be otherwise impossible to get. I think the Bosch common rail system is used on many types of engines, including European vehicles where diesel is much more popular for pass vehicles. I dont know the extent of there problems if any. Perhaps its the fuel quality here in the US compared to across the pond. I think if you compare the cost of injector problems after warrenty compared to repairs made on a gasser, its negligable. Irratating though none the less.
07-24-2003, 20:45
hoot

dmaxalliTech,

Good info.
I think that's a wrap. Time to move on cause at this stage there ain't a whole lot more to talk about as far as injectors go.
07-24-2003, 20:53
BROKERS

Dmaxallitech.

I agree with you on the fuel issue.
So you know where gm is coming from on the plug &pay. Especially on their lease returns.Ask around and i'm sure some one you know ,knows about the "juice detector"Why would i make it up?
I GAVE EXACT INFO FROM THE BACK OF IT AND EVERYBODY FREAKED OUT.
Anyhow that is an issue that i rather stay away from untill i recieve mine.

Hey aren't we here to laugh and learn?
07-24-2003, 20:56
BROKERS

Sorry! THE-GREAT-HOOT-HAS-SPOKEN!

Then so be it written in history. :rolleyes:
07-24-2003, 21:11
dmaxalliTech

Quote:

Originally posted by BROKERS:
Dmaxallitech.

I agree with you on the fuel issue.
So you know where gm is coming from on the plug &pay. Especially on their lease returns.Ask around and i'm sure some one you know ,knows about the "juice detector"Why would i make it up?
I GAVE EXACT INFO FROM THE BACK OF IT AND EVERYBODY FREAKED OUT.
Anyhow that is an issue that i rather stay away from untill i recieve mine.

Hey aren't we here to laugh and learn?

I havent yet found anybody that has heard of it, but given the numbers on the back of it, I cant ignore the possibities.
07-24-2003, 21:25
BROKERS

Hey,Dmaxallitech,on another subject.How many front rotor problems are you seeing on the K3500's?
I have had 2 rotors split and lost a 1/2 moon out of the brake surface.The second incedent took out the brakeline and damaged the fueltank.
07-25-2003, 06:50
GMC-2002-Dmax

Quote:

Originally posted by dmaxalliTech:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BROKERS:
Dmaxallitech.

I agree with you on the fuel issue.
So you know where gm is coming from on the plug &pay. Especially on their lease returns.Ask around and i'm sure some one you know ,knows about the "juice detector"Why would i make it up?
I GAVE EXACT INFO FROM THE BACK OF IT AND EVERYBODY FREAKED OUT.
Anyhow that is an issue that i rather stay away from untill i recieve mine.

Hey aren't we here to laugh and learn?

I havent yet found anybody that has heard of it, but given the numbers on the back of it, I cant ignore the possibities. [/QUOTE]Ahh,

The Dreaded OJ Finder :eek: . Posted some numbers off the back of the magic little box. Must have missed that thread :confused: . How about someone enlightening me about it.

Maybe it only appears on a Full Moon, on Friday the 13th, with a High Tide when Mars and Jupiter are in alignment. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

B.S. then and B.S. now. Besides, if GM has a way to find it someone smarter will figure a way to erase it.

Just 1's and 0's.

Hey Broker, if you show on Saturday to the CT Dyno day, jot down some numbers off the back and give them to Mackin so he can e-mail me.

Later,

GMC ;)

P.S. I won't hold my breath waiting for proof !!!!

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