Additives?

**Ole Hoss** · 01-17-2002, 23:55

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**Johnson** · 01-18-2002, 10:35

Have any of you used the Lucas upper lube and injector cleaner? I have used it in Gas engines even though its for Diesels and had good luck with it, I can really tell a difference.

**hoot** · 01-18-2002, 11:44

Quick question,

I needed some starting fluid for my old Ford diesel backhoe. The only stuff they had said for gasoline engines only. Is their a difference?

**MudNurI** · 01-18-2002, 15:00

Okay you guys have got me confused-

the comments -- My truck runs better than it ever did, etc... did your truck ever run crappy? What exactly are you noticing different?? I don't think there is anything wrong with the way my truck runs and can't seem to imagine it running any better than it does.
Oh, maybe it has something to do with that "other fuel tank" we use to fill it up? my theory on this is- you truck only has 3k miles, exactly what is built up? Even with 30k miles, what is clogging what?
someone please clarify- are you talking about "anti gel" stuff?

do I sound like a chick in this post or what?
LOL
--Brandy

**a64pilot** · 01-18-2002, 16:01

OK Brandy,
If your fuel is not the highest quality to begin with, boosting the cetane, (similar to octane rating of gasoline), seems to give better fuel mileage, smoother and quiter idle and better cold starts. Less noisy and little or no smoke during warm up. Where I am from it dosen't get very cold though.
As far as actually cleaning anything, I don't know about that. Had an old Mercedes diesel that would pick up a knock sound when it's injectors got varnished up.

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**trailguide2u** · 03-18-2002, 18:26

I have been told not to run additives on the Dmax. A good friend of mine who happens to be GM mechanic finished a class on the Dmax a few weeks ago. He was told no additives are acceptable and a test kit for the fuel will be used from now on. They where instructed to test the fuel for additives before any drivability concerns would be addressed thus voiding warranty. I use the Total Power additive and will discontinue use until more info is available.
I don't agree with it but warranty claims worry me. This maybe old info-thought I post it anyway

I should also add that the additives are what GM is blaming the pump failures on.

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**Alli-max** · 03-18-2002, 20:10

As mentioned above, additives are what boost the cetane rating. Are they going to void warranties for running Premium Diesel? Dont think so. Put your FPPF in there ande go. Just stay away from Power Service type additives.... Alcohol = bad!

**Spoolin'It** · 03-18-2002, 21:05

GM used to recommend Stanadyne additives when they had Stanadyne pumps in their trucks. The only reason they don't say anything now is its easier to say use no additive than test any additives for compatability. I have a hard time believing additives are the cause of pump failures. The whole point of any decent additive is to protect the fuel system by adding lubricity and removing water, not to kill the pump. The only possible issue I could see would be with the seals but I would think most if not all diesel additives would be compatible with the seals in modern engines. The seals are already pretty durable since they have to stand up to low-sulfur fuel which is very harsh on rubber.

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**KompressorMan** · 03-18-2002, 21:55

A64,
Are you back?

**trailguide2u** · 03-18-2002, 22:15

I should of also added that the big GM concern was the pump seals failing due to additives.

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**Tim B** · 03-18-2002, 23:38

Alli-Max -
Would like to know more about the Power Service additive. I almost bought some - I didn't because there were no ingredients listed. How do you know it has alcohol in it ? Does the stuff work as advertised ?

Thanks,

Tim B.

**george morrison** · 03-19-2002, 09:01

I have used both FPPF and Power services as diesel fuel systems have needed lubricity supplementation with the lowering of the fuel sulpher levels, plus the wide variation of disel fuel quality from fair to poor. I have been testing Power Master 405 by Primrose and can attest that I have achieved noticeable difference in fuel *mileage*, which I have never experienced with other fuel additives. We broke our personal 20 mpg barrier with the 405. The 405 functions as a fuel lubricant, injector cleaner, anhydrant and cetane booster. We have been shipping free samples with cases of Delvac 1 engine oil ( http://www.avlube.com/ ) and the responses we have received so far are enthusiastically positive. The 405 is relatively inexpensive at $3.85 for a 12 ounce bottle which can treat up to 187 gallons of diesel fuel.
George Morrison, STLE CLS

**Amianthus** · 03-19-2002, 09:15

I use Power Service and I like it. Haven't had a problem with the stuff yet. Although, I'm running a completely different rig. Stanadyne is also really good stuff. But any quality additive is worthwhile.
I think that GM doesn't recommend using additives for a couple of reasons. Some are probably the same reasons that Dodge doesn't recommend additives either. The biggest reason is that people will use anything as an additive. Transmission fluid, engine oil, used oil, and on and on. All of these are not proper additives and can cause damage to the system and screw up the sensors on the truck. Not to mention the emissions issues. It's better to just tell people not to do it than to try to explain the right and the wrong of using an additive.
If you are worried about it, keep this in mind. Buy your diesel from a station that moves alot of it. That way it stays fresh. You will have less problems that way.
One final thought. Has anyone asked a truck stop operator how they winterize their diesel? I bet they do it with an additive.

**Redhawk** · 03-19-2002, 11:18

I have an in the bed fuel tank which I generally use when towing my fiver. When I'm empty not all of the fuel in the tank has ben used so I worry about that small amount of diesel, probably less than a gallon, sloshing around that may be accumulating moisture. I want to use a diesel stabilizer to keep this residual fuel from becoming glue. What is the best stuff to use for this purpose?

**pinehill** · 03-19-2002, 18:51

The best thing I've found for preventing the degradation of fuel in storage is Sta-Bil, which is available almost everywhere. Works with both gasoline and diesel. I have several machines which aren't run frequently, and Sta-Bil has kept residual fuel in these tanks fresh for months.

**Big O** · 03-19-2002, 19:45

#1. There have been several mentions of alcohol=bad. I didn't think ANY of the DIESEL additives used alcohol.
#2. I think the previous mentioned Power Service is what I use-came from WallyWorld. Earlier post I read praised it, but on this thread I see warning against it because of alcohol=bad. It is specifically marked for diesels and makes no mention of alcohol.
#3. Does anyone actually know the TRUTH?

**Amianthus** · 03-20-2002, 10:20

How's this for ya.
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Dear Aron:

Thank you for taking the time to contact Power Service with your question. This is probably the most frequently asked question that we receive at Power Service. Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost does not contain any alcohol of any kind.

The one and only product manufactured by Power Service that contains the specific type of alcohol recommended by major engine manufacturers for removing water, is our Diesel 911.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Thank you,

Mandy Kramer
Power Service Products, Inc.
mkramer@powerservice.com

This communication (including the contents and all attachments) is
confidential and the proprietary information of Power Service and may
not be disclosed to others, in whole or in part, without the prior written consent of Power Service Products, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Amianthus [mailto:amianthus@sprynet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:24 AM
To: psp@powerservice.com
Subject: Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost

Does this supplement contain any alcohol? There have been concerns in the past on the effects of alcohol on the newer diesel injection pumps.

Do any of your products contain alcohol and will they damage the HP injection pumps in newer diesel engines?

Please let me know when you can. Thank you very much.

Aron Howlett
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There's your answer for you. No lies. No half-truths. No second-hand information. Right from the source, it is. I will continue to use the stuff and I highly recommend you use some sort of additive. You will like what it does for you.

**MGM** · 03-20-2002, 12:15

I also looked at Power Service , but because they do not indicate "NO ALCOHOL" on there containers i shyed away, why do they not do so?or is this to simple a solution?

**Big O** · 03-20-2002, 13:43

Amianthus
I appreciate the info. That pretty well answers my questions, thanks.

**bora** · 04-08-2002, 14:27

Is there anyone out there using Redline 85 Plus
diesel additive?

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