02 D/A at 101,023mi

**BROKERS** · 07-11-2002, 17:52

Running real good.
Has a front windshield leak that developed last week.Tailgate handle trim fell off sometime during the last week.Ordered a new one.(this is the 4th trim i've bought between the two trucks)

To answer the raffle!
01 D/A milage 409,916mi/6308 hrs
It does not show average speed,can't figure out how to get that up on the display.

Mdrag thanks for the help, i'll get back on to my old registration.

On to another subject,has any one had a front rotor split on a 02?

Later,Tom.

**stretch** · 07-11-2002, 18:21

Broker,
The numbers you gave work out to 64.983512 mph. Do you supply your drivers with a Valentine One radar detector?????

That is some SERIOUS motoring. I don't think the display gives out average mph. Thanks for the update and I hope your 02 and future 03 do as well or better than your 01.

**afp** · 07-11-2002, 19:24

Brokers,

Thanks for joining this site. Posting your experiences with the DMax will be a huge help to the rest of us.

How often do you clean the K&N on the 01?

Blaine

**csimo** · 07-11-2002, 20:05

I would never call anyone a liar, but those figures are real hard to swallow. Average 65MPH over 400K+ miles? I'm not sure that's even possible. I'm pretty sure it's NOT possible.

On a good days run (10 hours driving) on 70MPH Interstates (I try to run 75 - 79MPH on those roads) it's hard to AVERAGE over 50 - 52MPH. When you stop for fuel, take a bathroom break, eat lunch, etc. those take the average way down real fast. That's just one day and not taking maintenance, or any city streets into the mix.

I wonder if he's had some kind of malfunction in the odometer? I don't want this to sound like I don't think he's telling the truth, but logic tells me that he's presented a nearly impossible situation.

**FirstDiesel** · 07-11-2002, 20:16

2 man crews. Long hauls with very short stops. Time is money!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

**mackin** · 07-11-2002, 21:31

The point is safety....... Not that I am but, COMMERCIAL drivers which in my eyes they are, should obey the laws...... If that is truly accurate figures they are not ...... My very good friend owns a trucking firm over the road, so I'm familiar with the ethics ..... I know they are driving a 3500 and trailer a car carrier and cram 2 3 guys in a vehicle, still fatigue and common sense has to play a part.......Show me a pic of the speedo and I'll buy it.........Plus I'm a sore looser and I lost the raffle on the hour clock.....

MAC

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**tmg115** · 07-11-2002, 21:36

well the way i see it is, most of the time the speed limit is 70 so averaging 63 is it? is not hard. and a 2 man crew and almost going non stop it is very posibal.

**pepperidge** · 07-11-2002, 22:10

O.K.,
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CSIMO:When you stop for fuel, take a bathroom break,eat lunch, etc. those take the average way down real fast. That's just one day and not taking
maintenance, or any city streets into the mix.
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Here's my take on the hour meter/mph average.
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I would imagine that the key gets "turned off"
(hour meter doesn't run) during fuel stops,bathroom break, eating lunch and for maintenance , it could be true. The only argument you got there is "city streets".

I'm not saying it can't be done. But I'm not saying it has been done either.

My .02

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**SoCalDMAX** · 07-11-2002, 22:19

I believe it. What does it prove?

That his Dmax averaged 65mph LOADED WITH 3 CARS most of the time.

That with proper maintenance, it's a VERY good drivetrain.

The rear seat of a crewcab may not be the Taj Mahal, but a guy could sleep back there.

And that his crews don't spend their time dawdling around somewhere...

I think he ought to install a Juice module on at least one of his Dmaxes. Average speed would go up slightly and I bet it would pay for itself several times over in fuel savings, even if only 1 or 1.2mpg better.

I'm very grateful for the info, keep it coming!

Regards, Steve

**mackin** · 07-12-2002, 04:26

SoCalDMAX,

Didn't you say you are an X "SQUID" ....... Then your use to sleeping in a torpedo shoot........LOL
Tally hoe no pillow tonite,cotton balls in a zip lock bag,tho........

I'm greatful too,could make for the debate of the century......
I need a dam PIC....... It would be so simple ...... Isn't he from the North East? AHHHH I spy.....

MAC [img]tongue.gif[/img]

**hoot** · 07-12-2002, 06:05

If BROKER was BS-in, why wouldn't he give us numbers that are not questionable? He could just as easily have posted numbers that we would not question, right?

He runs a business like we run our trucks.....

**walkerkd** · 07-12-2002, 07:13

i think it is very possible.. two man crew is able to run atleast 6k a week. thats not hard at all. so the number could work out very easy. so i think any one in question has no idea about trucking biz... i hot shot on the side.. and let me tell you it doesnt take long to clock the miles.. heck ive had my truck for a very short time less tha n 3 months. i have 12500 miles to date... now am i bs-in????

**mackin** · 07-12-2002, 14:57

walkerkd ,

No disrespect here........

Well, I know about the trucking business for sure...... I have to rely on them in my business realistically and like I said in my post my very good friends owns a trucking firm and employees 8 drivers in brand new SHINEY trucks with a huge over head and pushes his men hard with in the LAW ........ Your numbers of a TWO man team of 854 miles a day is more REALISTIC then the numbers BROOKER is posting ........

Hoot,

No disrespect but all one needs is a calendar and a calculator and a pencil...... I could post the same ...... Have you ever meet the man? Has any one? All I 'm saying is it could be......... It could be ,not . I'm on the fence...... I would love for it to be true... But I won't be fooled, it is questionable,to say the least ...... Post a PIC of the odometer, why not? Hard Prof my man hard Prof.......Can he Give someone here his vin number ........ Did the dealer provide service and record mileage on a certain date to back it up? It's the same when someone claims bogus head melt down claims as when someone boasts a terrific claim of reliability........ I own a MAX and I want to know if it's for real...... I won't go bragging with out the HARD PROF.....

MAC

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**BROKERS** · 07-12-2002, 15:54

STRECH:I can't incrimenate my self,but Valentine is an excellent choice.
afp: We replace the K&N between 35-4500mi.Depending on the time of year.We keep 4-5 filters in the bed box at all times.Dump dirty ones at the shop and pick up clean ones.I believe between all the trucks there is 40-45 filters circulating.
CSIMO:I'm not here to B.S. Frankly i don't have the time!Just follow along for awhile and read the posts every week and judge for your self.The trucks run more than 10 hrs a day when they are out.
First Diesel:Time is money,and all we have is time!
Mackin:Yes safety is a highest priority!Yes we are CDL/Health card/DOT reg/Apportioned plates.
Since we are not for hire and own most cargo,weight stations wave us on in most states.Some states dont want us in at all.Mac the speedo thing ,i'm a broker and swap heads on a constant basis.I can have one set to what ever you would like to see.Sorry about the raffle.
tmg115: I got something for ya at the drags!Look in my sig.My Blackwood is gone.
Pepperidge:I have 100gl in bed tank,no control over the ignition key or their bladders.Deliver mostly to Adesa Auctions,mostly off major routes in industrial areas.However N.J. is a parkinglot most of the time.
SoCalDMAX:The 01D/A has burned just over 50,000gl of #2.
HOOT: #1 i'm a BROKER/IMPORTER. #2 Hotshot .
Lively bunch over here.

Sorry gents, got a little long winded.

Later,TOM!

**tmg115** · 07-12-2002, 15:59

hey glad to see you got ride of it. after that boatr thing i would to. lol i still think you need a duramax every day drivier.lol

and what about the drags now?

**BROKERS** · 07-12-2002, 16:32

tmg115:Look in my sig.
Z06!

**csimo** · 07-12-2002, 16:37

Broker: You said "CSIMO:I'm not here to B.S. Frankly i don't have the time!Just follow along for awhile and read the posts every week and judge for your self.The trucks run more than 10 hrs a day when they are out."

I never once accused you of BSing, or being untruthful. I just believe you have a malfunctioning odometer or hour meter.

The number of hours per day the truck was driven does not matter. The question is can this truck, or any truck maintain an AVERAGE speed of 65MPH over 400,000 miles. I can't call it impossible, but it would nearly be impossible.

If you never stopped for fuel, or maintenance, meals or anything else (no you can't stop to load the truck either), and you drove between 55MPH and 75MPH all the time (remember you can't stop for 400,000 miles) you would average 65MPH.

Yes I know the engine is not running all the time, but it is when you use the exit ramp, slow down to get fuel, traffic jams, or anything else the engine is running and just a few minutes of that activity in a day ruins your average speed real fast.

The national Amtrak system only averages 32MPH, and most long haul trucking companies are very happy if a unit can average 50MPH. The long haul trucking industry is at about 44MPH average overall.

Again Broker I'm not saying you are BSing, or anything of the kind. I do believe that somewhere in that 400,000 miles there is an error in the hour meter or odometer.

**BROKERS** · 07-12-2002, 16:58

CSIMO: We run gps and sat/locator(15min intervals) on all the tucks we own.On the Canadian runs ,which is 45%,we have 95% no traffic.The difference in speed and time would show up.This is not the first truck we have run like this.I have been at it for some time. The 02 D/A was at 101,023mi/1699hrs.I don't know how equal that is to the 01 D/A.
CSIMO: I posted the log of the 01 D/A in another forum awhile back.It showed day to day by the hour for a month.If HOOT could help out i'm sure he could put a link over to it.May be that would show you how it gets done.

Later,Tom

**BROKERS** · 07-12-2002, 17:08

Hoot! Can you post a link to the Milage log that i posted awhile back.I can't seem to find it.It was either on PUTC or Gm-Diesel.The argument with Bart died after that post.Or maybe the calculator ran out of batteries? LOL.

Thanks in advance .

Tom.

**hoot** · 07-12-2002, 20:42

Brokers testament.......

Ill runn trough the milage master for tha Dmax for you.
Don't forget there is 6guys on and 4guys off at all times.

02-24-02 boston-montreal/ depart 6:00pm / 330mi
02-25-02 montreal / arrive 1:30am
02-25-02 montreal-shreveport la / depart 5:00am/1860mi
02-26-02 shreveport la / arrive 11:30am
02-26-02 shreveport - orlando fl/depart 2:30pm / 930mi
02-27-02 orlando / arrive 6:30am
02-27-02 orlando - grey me / depart 9:00am / 1440mi
02-28-02 grey me / arrive 11:30am
02-28-02 grey me - framingham ma / depart 12:30/ 155mi
02-28-02 framingham ma / arrive 4:00pm (2 new drivers)
02-28-02 framingham ma-halifax ns/depart 5:00pm/720mi
03-01-02 halifax ns / arrive 7:00pm
03-01-02 halifax ns - kitchener on / depart 8:30pm/1190mi
03-02-02 kitchener on / arrive 9:30pm
03-03-02 kitchener on - wellington fl/ depart 2;30am/1510mi
03-04-02 wellington fl / arrive 9:30am
03-04-02 wellington fl- boston ma / depart 11:00am/1540mi
03-05-02 boston ma / arrive 3:00pm

This is how we run often.We are less busy sometimes but not lately.Hope fully this will shed some lite on our 270,000mi.
And for your info the guy's drive between 65-75mph.The drivers switch back and forth .The back seat is not always a good place to sleep but they make due.2-4 days is the most they drive in a week .then they are off for 2-4days depending on what is going on.I have put 3 guys on a run, alot on the canadian runs due to bad weather.June - Aug i'm usually slow but the rest of the year i got enough to keep everybody busy.

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