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    Thumbs up Amg P400

    The enhanced AM General 6.5 is now becoming available. Among the first is this one, currently owned by member Mike Robertson who sent this photo... Thanks Mike!



    Mike reports that the block girdle is cast iron, and the rigid oil pan is cast aluminum, which will need to be modified to work for a pickup truck or Suburban. AMG is working on an oil pan that'll work for us, but in the meantime, Mike will likely modify this one for his 1993 Chevy 3500.

    Jim

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    Default When my time comes

    I'd be looking into one, or maybe a RJ School Craft rebuild if my block is still good when change out is needed.
    99 GMC SUB, 2500, 4x4, 6.5 TD (F) #H32 enhanced blk, Phaser timing set, B&D IC, 3" ATS exh, K&N w/prefilter, 4WD NVG 246, 4L80E kevlar Transgo off road/tow mods/B&M supercooler, 14 FF MagTec w/locker 3.42:1, 9.25" IFS frt/diff 3.42:1 w/ARB locker, AutoMeter Boost & pre-turbo pyro meter, 12,000 lb hydro winch, Warn classic bumper w/brushguard & diesel scoop, Max E-torq Stage 3, hi pop inj, oil bypass sys, on board air comp for front ARB locker & tire inflation, DynaView driving/auto-cornering lts, DZ nerfs, A/T 285/75/16 SilentArmor 3750 lb rated on 3750 lb rated Alcoa, 3 IP drivers 2 r spares.

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    Ya know what MorePower, that new AMG would sure look a lot better sitting here at my place...........
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    Would that girdle work on an older 6.2 block or did they change the entire bottom end?
    '83 Blazer, DB2 built like 4911 by Accurate Diesel, 6.5 oil pump, 6.5 turbo injectors, 82 6.2 block, 6.5 heads, serpentine, gm-4 turbo with turbo master, timing gears, custom stud girdle, lower compression
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    I haven't tackled the pan yet so I will need to get back to you.

    The girdle appears to be sealed to the block with anaerobic jam, and bolted internally. It may held by main cap bolts or separate girdle bolts... I don't think it would fit a standard block.

    I'm doing this in my spare time, so I'll post as things progress.

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    Thanks for the picture.

    Just from appearances it looks like maybe between the oil pan bolts there are countersunk bolts in the girdle that bolt it to the block maybe.

    What is that hole or greenish plug in the side of the pan dipstick port? Is it a centermount turbo model?

    Any published numbers of HP/Torque or ratings compression ratio etc?
    97 5spd K2500 Ext Cab short Bed ~160K miles.
    TM, 3" downpipe & 4" exhaust, remote FSD, remote oilfilter, Gauges: EGT, Boost, Fuel Pressure, B&W Gooseneck Turnover ball, Prodigy Brake Controller. Hi-Temp Hydraulic Oil Cooler Lines.

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    AMG has rated the new engine at 250 hp & 550 lb-ft. This probably (I'm assuming) means when using their turbo, manifolds, fuel injection system and air induction package.

    Jim

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    What was the cost and do they come direct from AMG?
    1998 6.5 2500 4X4 dynatrac pro 60, ARB, 35"BFG's
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    Peninsular Engine is an AMG retailer. www.peninsularengine.com

    Jim

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    that looks pretty well what i had in mind with that girdle i am building , i will not be surprised if the main caps are part of it. Well it seems they beat me to it. darn it.
    98 GMC sierra 2500 ext cab 4x4 auto tr 6.5 td 252000 km. needs new engine, next project
    95 GMC sierra LE 2500 ext cab sh box 4x4 auto tr 6.5 td 328.000 km. my wife's truck .remote pmd on cooler
    89 GMC sierra SLE 1500 ext cab 4x4 auto tr 6.2 720000 km engine swap at 665000 km because of broken oil cooler line. 6 bolt wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by More Power View Post
    Peninsular Engine is an AMG retailer. www.peninsularengine.com

    Jim
    To bad they won't return a e mail.
    1998 6.5 2500 4X4 dynatrac pro 60, ARB, 35"BFG's
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    Cost for the long block direct through Franklin Engine distributor is $6,090 plus freight. Crate is provided.

    PM me if you require further contact information and I will be happy to assist.

    Franklin engineers are working on a commercial oil pan which should fit 4x4 trucks. I will have more information this week.

    You can view the issue of fitting this engine into a K3500 at these links: http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...osition018.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...osition005.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...osition006.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...osition004.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...osition002.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...osition003.jpg

    Regards,
    Mike

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    Mike , have you tried to put the old pan on the girdle ?

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    The stock oil pan will not fit the girdle. See link below.

    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...lPan_65001.jpg

    The girdle is completely flat and the forward portion of the old pan is contoured to fit the timing chain cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyD View Post
    To bad they won't return a e mail.
    They may not be as web oriented as some would like. I'd recommend calling (800) 942-0445. Peninsular has been pretty good about answering the phone during business hours.

    Jim

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    I will give them a call.
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    Wink The pan comes off!

    The word is NO COMMERCIAL PAN is currently being engineered at the Franklin Ohio plant.... so I guess we are on our own.

    Time to get started... Here are a few links showing the pan removal after I got the news... it was easy to remove it.


    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal001.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal002.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal003.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal004.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal005.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal006.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal008.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal009.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal011.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal012.jpg
    http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...Removal013.jpg

    Fabrication will take place after I blueprint what portions require removal. Then I will add capacity to the bottom. I drained 8 liters of oil out of this pan.

    I will be dropping the long block into the truck before I section out the pan to ensure the girdle does not interfere with the frame.

    All comments are welcomed.
    Mike

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    The main caps are integral to the cast-iron girdle. Nice.....

    Thanks for the photos!

    Jim

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    Well now
    If that beautiful chunk of iron dont keep the bottom end together nothing will.

    What a hercky addition to the 6.5 that makes.

    Having all the bottom end tied together will certainly keep flexing of the block at bay.

    Good luck on the rework of the oil pan.

    Thanks for sharing all the wonderful pix of your new engine.

    Best

    Robyn
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    (1) 1997 Astro
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    Shown here at TDP first last year on the members page, Introducing AM General's New 6.5L Turbodiesel.

    Good to see the inside of one. Keep us posted.
    1993 K3500 - Peninsular 18:1 engine, marine injectors, high capacity cooling, AL Core Radiator, 3" DP and 4" exhaust, ISSPRO Gauges, Girdle, AMSOIL Dual Oil Filter System, 1997 Air Filter(trashed the K&N), 395K on Body, 165k on engine.
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