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    Well my dahooley wannabe puked last fall,. 1 hole dead,. i pulled it today,. it,s a nice hole dead centre on the piston with a nice smiley crack right across,.
    Now to be honest i caused the problem,. i put a bastid chip in it that came out of a guys tool box drawer,. and it made tons of power,.the head off the other side has cracks between the valves on two holes,.
    I checked the pump number and i have the 5068 pump,. 94 HD specific,.
    some say it pumps waay more fuel,. some say it is no difference,.
    anyone here know for sure? I modified the GM* turbo housing a little and welded the wastegate closed,.It could boost up over 22psi,..so it was definitely getting fuel,.i did dyno the truck once,.at a dodge cummins dyno day,. but when i posted the results i was run out of town on another forum,accused of lying etc,. and it all went bad,.
    So,. 5068 pumps truth or myth??

    thanks eh?



    Nick
    oh,.. yes,.. yes,. i know,. you get what's coming to you if you pump up a 6.5,. but i have 3 running motors for spares,and it's fun,.
    1999 chev suburban C2500
    300,000 mi

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    Supposed to be a different cam ring in there, the rest of the parts are the same as the rest of the pumps.

    Your IAT's and EGT's with a GMX turbo and no intercooler were probably very high even for anyones performance tune (thinking that may be why you holed a piston and had cracks everywhere).

    I'm with you though, I'd like to think the 5068 does more fuel. Dunno. I've got one for parts that I wanted to mix and match parts into a 5288 or so (have tons of those is why...) that it'd work with my '95's programming.

    Next time to turn if up consider an intercooler and a HX Holset turbo for more air, some 18:1 pistons would certainly help it live too.

    What was your dyno results?
    1982 C10 SCSWB 6.5TD, mods too extensive to list. (13.69 1/4 mile @94.6 MPH) RACE TRUCK
    1982 C10 SCSWB 6.2NA, 2.73 700
    1986 C10 SCLWB 6.2TD 3.73 700
    1989 V20 SUB 6.2NA, 3.73 400
    1994 G20 VAN 6.5NA, 3.42 60E
    1994 K20LD ECSWB 6.5TD, 3.42 80E
    1995 K20 SUB 6.5TD, Wrecked, ran into by stupid teen.
    1995 C3500HD DRW 6.5TD, 12' Flatbed 5.13 80E
    1995 C3500HD DRW 6.5TD, 18' Rollback Wrecker 4.63 80E
    1994 C20HD ECLWB 6.5TD 3.73 80E Wifes Truck.
    1995 C20LD ECSWB 6.5TD 3.73 80E
    1995 K20LD SCLWB 6.5TD 3.73 80E
    1996 K30 DRW 6.5TD 4.10 80E
    1997 C10 Tahoe 2Door 2WD 5.7L to 6.5 Conversion Underway

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    I just purchased a '94 K3500 Duelie. The IP was changed under warranty Dec '05 to a 5942. I don't know about some wiring issues but would you chack if you have the following. The wiring harness connected to the optical sensor - I have an electrical "noise" filter that has three wires cut and taped to the filter. the only wires undistrubed are the yellow and two white ones. The three other wires are connected to another harness leading directly back to the PCM. My wires do not match factory colors bu they are dark blue, dark red and dark green. The wires do terminate into the PCM where they are supposed to but I don't know if this was a dealership mod to get the PCM to accept a 5942 pump. Thanks for any help,
    Jerry
    1994 K2500 ext cab. Recently repowered with; Non-cracked 599 block, factory compression, used old DSG girdle for main caps. Factory for what remains. Changed diffs to 3.42. Fuel economy Hwy 22.5 mpg US, in town without lcokup in 2nd/3rd - 18 mpg US.
    1994 K3500 CC LB Silverado. Next project. Built for endurance, power and gearing. Plan on opened up intake and exhaust sytem, best cooling mods, 4.11 gearing 4L80E, followed by Gear Vendors OD. Need to be able to split all gears and have lockup in 2nd/3rd/4th. Tan interior cloth, Bad ass dark blue (coming) aluminum wheels and air ride (coming)

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    Quote Originally Posted by john8662 View Post
    Supposed to be a different cam ring in there, the rest of the parts are the same as the rest of the pumps.

    Your IAT's and EGT's with a GMX turbo and no intercooler were probably very high even for anyones performance tune (thinking that may be why you holed a piston and had cracks everywhere).

    I'm with you though, I'd like to think the 5068 does more fuel. Dunno. I've got one for parts that I wanted to mix and match parts into a 5288 or so (have tons of those is why...) that it'd work with my '95's programming.

    Next time to turn if up consider an intercooler and a HX Holset turbo for more air, some 18:1 pistons would certainly help it live too.

    What was your dyno results?
    246rwhp, 658rwt,.


    i want to buy one of the "A" team turbo,s,.
    My other 94 6.5 has 3:42 gears,. and it makes a huge difference in egt's with the rpm back,. the 4:10's in the dually are a waste of fuel and the gm8 is a restriction as we all now,.i just bought another set of 3:42's for when i get a heart sorted out,.i,m going to fab a larger oil pan for it,.
    1999 chev suburban C2500
    300,000 mi

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    pic of the head from the opposite side of the motor (all pistons were still good this side,.)





    Nick
    1999 chev suburban C2500
    300,000 mi

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    The heads on my 1982 Suburban are cracked between every single valve just like that. I JB welded some copper tubing to prevent the cracks from leaking. It's been nearly 10 years and I haven't had any problems.
    1990 ¾ ton 4x4 Chevy Suburban
    -Cummins Diesel - 12 valve - factory rebuilt
    -6 speed bullet proof manual transmission - NV5600
    -Gear Vendors Overdrive
    -Upgraded Holset HX-35 turbo
    -NP205 iron transfer case
    -3.73 gears

    1982 ½ ton Chevy Suburban
    -6.2L diesel - high nickle crack free 1982 block
    -Stans headers
    -Ported heads
    -Timing gear
    -4 speed automatic
    -3.08 gears
    -30 mpg on freeway

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    First post here. Admittedly been hunting this forum for all the hidden goodies of information...

    I don't know much about the DS pumps, but I will put my ear to the ground, and report back if I find anything on paper.

    Those dyno numbers are nice, but I can't see why anyone would call you a liar... Your results just show what low RPM boost does to a long stroke V8. Better then all the 260-ish HP pulls I see with a 1.8x torque number. With a cooler charge, and a better spool you have no where to go but up! And it'll live longer too!

    You give me hope for my 6.5NA I'm working on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom 309 View Post
    246rwhp, 658rwt,.
    I'd buy the HP, sweet runner to be that, I believe you on this one. The TQ not so much.

    I also agree with you on the gears. I've pulled with 4.10's and 3.42's and when it comes down to it I can't really say I had any troubles with the 3.42's.

    I'm swapping to 3.73's on my Dually, but it's a 4x4 and running 235/85 R16's. so the Tall tires put me where I wanna be.
    1982 C10 SCSWB 6.5TD, mods too extensive to list. (13.69 1/4 mile @94.6 MPH) RACE TRUCK
    1982 C10 SCSWB 6.2NA, 2.73 700
    1986 C10 SCLWB 6.2TD 3.73 700
    1989 V20 SUB 6.2NA, 3.73 400
    1994 G20 VAN 6.5NA, 3.42 60E
    1994 K20LD ECSWB 6.5TD, 3.42 80E
    1995 K20 SUB 6.5TD, Wrecked, ran into by stupid teen.
    1995 C3500HD DRW 6.5TD, 12' Flatbed 5.13 80E
    1995 C3500HD DRW 6.5TD, 18' Rollback Wrecker 4.63 80E
    1994 C20HD ECLWB 6.5TD 3.73 80E Wifes Truck.
    1995 C20LD ECSWB 6.5TD 3.73 80E
    1995 K20LD SCLWB 6.5TD 3.73 80E
    1996 K30 DRW 6.5TD 4.10 80E
    1997 C10 Tahoe 2Door 2WD 5.7L to 6.5 Conversion Underway

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    Quote Originally Posted by john8662 View Post
    I'd buy the HP, sweet runner to be that, I believe you on this one. The TQ not so much.

    I also agree with you on the gears. I've pulled with 4.10's and 3.42's and when it comes down to it I can't really say I had any troubles with the 3.42's.

    I'm swapping to 3.73's on my Dually, but it's a 4x4 and running 235/85 R16's. so the Tall tires put me where I wanna be.
    mebbe i can't remember the torque correctly?? 658? 568? 865?
    Kinda like all my stuff, the older i get the faster it was??

    i had a manual switch to lock the converter,.and just as it shifted into second gear the guy locked the converter then flattened the throttle,.

    Altec eh??

    Nick
    truck ran 17.27 @ 78.6mph w 2.47 60ft. 6786lbs 2wd.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/phantom3.../3/pd4wbZ-eSus
    Last edited by phantom309; 06-03-2011 at 19:49.
    1999 chev suburban C2500
    300,000 mi

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