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    Default Crank NO Start 2002 2500HD LB7

    I have a 2002 GMC 2500HD LB7 with a Crank NO Start problem.
    This happened about 4 years ago and turned out to be the filter head. I just replaced the filter head, filter and the 2 fuel lines coming of the housing and it still does not start.
    I have a basic code reader that is showing no codes. I know someone that has a Tech II scanner and trying to find time for him to come over with it to see if it tells anything.
    I do NOT have the money to just start throwing parts at it in hopes that something will fix it. Please tell me what to check and how to do it to try and determine the problem. What tests to run when I get the Tech II here?
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    2002 GMC Sierra 2500HD 4x4

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    Diesels need air, fuel, and compression to run. You said you had filter problems. have you confirmed fuel in system and not air locked? Did you bleed the system?
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    If the injectors aren't firing, for any reason, or it's unable to develop sufficient fuel pressure to fire them (if the system is primed), it WILL set codes you can read with a basic code reader. If you've replaced the filter head (or just the filter can), it must be primed, as well as pumped until fuel primes all the way to the high pressure pump. It will not self-prime. Open the bleed screw, pump the primer until fuel is present at the bleed hole, reinstall the bleed screw, and continue pumping until it's hard. It may take a LOT of pumping, like a hundred or two strokes, in some cases. Crank for about 10 seconds, pump again until hard, and repeat this until it starts (don't hurry, let the starter cool). It may take several of these cycles. It's important to have sufficient battery voltage, so have a charger (or a jump vehicle) handy if it shows any sign of slowing down while cranking.
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    I did correctly bleed and prime the system. I even went back out and did it again, I have a strong steady stream of fuel coming out the bleed screw and after tightening it I pumped a few times until hard. I have a full tank of fuel. I replaced the filter head because the last time I had a no start issue this was the problem. I did not find the old one to be leaking but swapped it anyway.

    I purchased a bluetooth OBDII and downloaded some scanning apps onto my tablet. I'm not sure of what to be looking for but I did get a little info.
    Desired Fuel Pressure 6090 = Actual Fuel Pressure 5960
    Fuel Pressure not running is 145 psi
    I pulled a few codes that my reader did not get.
    U1000
    B2961
    B2973
    B3138
    Does any of this help with figuring this issue out?
    what tests can I do to test the FICM or ECM and Injectors?
    2002 GMC Sierra 2500HD 4x4

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    A quick search of your codes is computer communications and key/door lock electrical related
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    I too had this issue a couple of years ago. Rebuilt the filter head because it was leaking internally. When my injectors were replaced a year before that, all hoses were said to have been replaced. Of course they didn't replace that $140 9" hose with that special bend in it. At that time, I would have all the dash lights (instrument cluster, radio, hvac system ect.). Mine just started this yesterday. Cold, she fires right up. Drive it and get to operating temp and won't start at all. Pump primer and crank, it tries to kick off then nothing. Rinse and repeat. Now, here is the kicker. As of yesterday, when I turn the key to the 'ON' position, nothing comes on. Only one light (battery) comes on and stays on. It's not until I release the key from Start that the dash will light up for a nano second. Just a quick flash. I put my Innova 3100 scanner on it and there is zero "common" codes. If I run the Chevy SRS codes I get U1042 'Loss of EBCM Comms' and a U1000 'Class 2 DATA Link Malfunction'. When I scan the Chevy OEM Enhanced codes, I get a U1041, U1026 'Loss of Class 2 Comms with ATC' U1152 "loss of ACM Serial DATA Comms', P1626 "Theft Deter Fuel Enable Signal Not Received', P0380 'Glow Plug Circuit Performance' and U1096 'Loss Comms with Instrument Cluster' codes.

    I can clear the OEM codes as those are a stored "history" of codes. Wait about 5 minutes and the dash lights up and hit the key, fires at the second turn of the crank shaft (normal). This tells me I have one problem and one problem only. Not have an issue and than after a crap ton of rain (several inches a day for three days, four nights straight) is I have a grounding issue. No communication with the ECM, has to be a ground is dirty and not making the proper contact.

    Does this sound off to anybody?
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    with weird or random electrical problems the first place to start is battery connections and then grounds. Check cables that they are not rotted internally
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    Quote Originally Posted by a5150nut View Post
    with weird or random electrical problems the first place to start is battery connections and then grounds. Check cables that they are not rotted internally
    Yeah, I got to the battery side of things because they were easy to get too with all the liquid sunshine we have been having. My plan is to get to the other ends after things dry out for a day (today). Went from heavy showers and 40*(yesterday) to 70* and cloudy today. About 75* tomorrow. Thats is the perfect weather to have ones butt sticking up in the air while bent over in the engine bay.

    Maybe my issues that are very close to the original poster's issues are similar enough to help him out.
    2004 Chevy K3500 CCLB DRW LB7 Duramax. Stock.

    1992 Sea Ray 300DA. 30 plus foot Express Cruiser on a trailer. 13,500# boat and trailer and 69' of combined length rolling. Over length/width permitted load.

    SOLD-95 GMC K2500 SLE 6.5L TD, Relocated PMD to bumper #9 res., Custom Lowes special induction tube, Triple gauges on the pillar EGT, Trans, Boost, High Idle Mod, TCC-Lock up Mod, Custom Back up camera, DIY Manual Wastegate Controller, 4" from down tube to 5" stacks, Vac Pump Removed,2007 wheels, WMI by Cooling Mist 8gph @3psi 11gph on demand

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