Cummins and Duramax Towing Video

[Cummnz]

Let's hear your thoughts on this video since you all own D-Max's.Before you go flame me I happen to like D-maxs..they would be my second choice in truck.This is a long video, so dial up guys beware
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...af013f4333.htm

[DieselMonk]

thats a bad link, can't watch it.

[kconnair]

Try this one - The Dmax wins.... as you would expect......

It may not be towing, but still a spanking....

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...b3015e6155.htm

[Cummnz]

Don't be hijacking my thread...go post that in the competition forum! ...My video is real world, that is not

[ThumperTDC]

Don't be hijacking my thread...go post that in the competition forum! ...My video is real world, that is not

Your video link isnt working.

[Cummnz]

Ok try this link...

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...af013f4333.htm

[DmaxMaverick]

Welcome to TDP Forums, Cummnz!

The video doesn't reflect an objective test comparison.

That whiner should go and buy a Dodge. He didn't take any comparitive factors into consideration. True that a specific production run of Duramax LLY's did have heating issues, but they are limited to those runs, and effective remedies are available for cheap or free. Only a small % of that run had the problem, but we don't know why. None of the other models have this issue.

Comparitive factors:
He had no idea what he was competing with. A 90's Cummins can't compete with any Duramax, heat or no. The Dodge driver was probably wondering why he couldn't shake that Chevy after spending 8 grand on upgrades. Doubt he had his A/C on, but we'll never know.
The load he had was considerably heavier than what the Dodge was hauling.
The coach/jeep is much more aerodynamic than a backward-trailered U-haul truck. Huge factor at those speeds. Keystone Cougar trailers are lightweights.
His A/C was on from the start.

P0193??? Probably his fault (should have changed the fuel filter). This will very likely lose his case. Still, limp mode is better than dead in traffic.

He may have a valid claim for his issues, but he needs to compare apples to apples if he wants to use it as a factor of argument.

If your first choice is Cummins, stay with it. Not likely you'll be happy with anything else. If you want a GM product, don't get an LLY and you'll sleep better. You won't shake that video, and will be looking for flaws.

You brought your question to a GM Diesel enthusiest website. Expect some bias. You'll get the same at the other sites, but probably worse than you'll find here. Brand loyalty here usually doesn't cross into ignorance.

[Cummnz]

DMAXmaverick: Thanks for the response..it turns out he did sue GM and won $30,500 and he kept the truck.Now..to correct you if I may on the first paragraph you typed..A}The dodge was a 2001-2002 model B}The truck was probably stock condsidering there were no gauges on the pillar and if he DID spend $8,000 he would have budgeted for the gauges as well C}There was no black smoke EVER from the dodge,you know any slightly modified Cummins huffs like a freight train under load. D}It was 90+ degrees and HUMID outside there, {i used to live in that part of Texas} we NEVER drove without the A/C on..EVER! E}That jeep and trailer weighed 2/3 of what the Chevy was towing, yes 1/3 less weight slightly more aerodynamic makes a difference,not to the point of two stock trucks running up and hill and the 04.5' LLY getting pounded on the grade that bad. As far as I am concerned looking at this logically and not from a Cummins OR D-max bias the odds were fairly even maybe slightly more in favor {because of a small weight difference in the dodge}.This particular guy in the GM had an overheating issue regardless and I'm glad he got his money, even if he was a moron lol

[DmaxMaverick]

If you assume a truck, even a Dodge, is stock because you don't see gages or smoke, you'll be one of the "passed and the curious". Most of the Dodge owners I know make very respectible power, and don't smoke. There's no rule that says your gages have to be on the pillar. Mine aren't. Get out and see more Dodges. Cheaper upgrades make more smoke.

A stock 2001-2002 Dodge won't compete with an LLY. Perhaps the Dodge would have an advantage once the LLY overheats, but he couldn't gain from the start, before he overheated.

A/C use is your choice. Most of my heavy towing is done in 100

[Cummnz]

Maverick..Maybe you should read what I posted in my first post..I can already tell you are a guy who jumps to conclusions by the way you speak here..as well as assuming this dodge is tuned up with $8,000 worth of upgrades {but yeah no gauges or smoke so he's the silent horsepower guy who sneaks up on you LOL!!} ok..assuming that AND here's what I said in my first post..so if any "brand war" is happening, then you need to read more carefully and welcome the Cummins guys as you would another Chevy guy..

Before you go flame me I happen to like D-maxs..they would be my second choice in truck.

[ronniejoe]

It appears to me that you jump to conclusions. What's your real purpose here? It sure seems like it is just to "stir the pot". The problem is, there are far more stories of Dodges being left in the dust (yes, even by my old 6.5) by Duramaxes than there are of Duramaxes being left in the dust by Dodges.

In this one instance, in a not even close comparison, your favorite Dodge won. Was that you driving the Dodge? As D-Mav said, windage load increases rapidly as speed increases...try as a cubic function of the speed. The whole thing smells of a set-up to me, but there I go jumping to conclusions. Take your video and go to the TDR site. They'll love you over there.

In fact, since 2001, the Dodge Cummins has been the weak sister in the stock Diesel performance department.

Again, what is your purpose for this post?

[Cummnz]

Hello? ECHO ECHO....I even put in quotes what I said to start so this won't happen..easy there quick draw mcgraw!

[DmaxMaverick]

Maverick..Maybe you should read what I posted in my first post..I can already tell you are a guy who jumps to conclusions by the way you speak here..as well as assuming this dodge is tuned up with $8,000 worth of upgrades {but yeah no gauges or smoke so he's the silent horsepower guy who sneaks up on you LOL!!} ok..assuming that AND here's what I said in my first post..so if any "brand war" is happening, then you need to read more carefully and welcome the Cummins guys as you would another Chevy guy..

I'm not flaming you. You asked for "thoughts", and I gave you mine. I jumped to no conclusions, just offered some explanations for what seems to be a very lopsided comparison. The Duramax driver, and perhaps you, jumped to the conclusions. The Duramax driver in the video (I watched all of it) may have issues with his truck, but he had an agenda.

You, as a "Cummins guy", are very welcome here. Bring your friends, too. But as I said, be forwarned. If your purpose is to instigate and solicit brand controversy, it won't work here. You can do that on just about any other Diesel site, but it isn't accepted here. That's not a policy, written or otherwise, but the members will tear you apart. Most of our members are here to avoid all the bs and hype on the other sites. We will be fair and impartial, but this is a GM Diesel enthusiest site, so expect some brand loyalty.

My comment about the Dodge driver and $8000 upgrades he may have, meant nothing. It was just an off-the-cuff comment. I saw just as much evidence of his performance mod's as the Duramax driver did. None. If you want a fair evaluation of a contest, show me a fair contest. You jumped to the conclusion the Dodge was stock. I simply offered another explanation. And, as I said before, gages and smoke (or the lack of) is no indication of performance upgrades. Throw enough money at any of these trucks, and you can get competitive power without smoke, and there is still no rule saying your gages have to be on the pillar.

If you want a good side by side comparison, bring your worst and best to Montana this summer. Join in on the annual pull off. All comers are welcome. Read the Pull Off articles and you'll find fairness. If you show up, your performance will be noted equally.

[colt49]

Go to McRat Racing.com and take on Casper, or Wendy his Duramax Race Trucks with EFI Live and Suncoast transmissions etc. Get a lesson in what is fast on the track. This Mcrat is REAL Put it up if you got it pal!!!!

[Tough Guy]

Hello? ECHO ECHO....I even put in quotes what I said to start so this won't happen..easy there quick draw mcgraw!

You gotta watch these GM guys, they gang up on ya.....J/K!!

The Cummins is a great motor, I have driven and towed with several and really liked them...I haven't watched the video because I have dial-o-slow, but I say bring it on!

You should come to the pull-off this summer, its a good time and for the last few years GM has taken the belt home...

Chris

[ronniejoe]

Hello? ECHO ECHO....I even put in quotes what I said to start so this won't happen..easy there quick draw mcgraw!

I'll do the thinnin around here, Bubba Louie!

You think a lame "disclaimer" can let you do your dirty work? Again, I ask what is your purpose? Are you trying to fix a problem? Are you looking for solutions? Or are you just trying to poke at your "second" choice truck?

Me thinks the latter...

[Cummnz]

pull off? lol yeah with my 2 wheel drive truck? puhlease guys! I would just sit and spin the clutch or tires.Come back to me though when your Max has close to 400k miles on it and we'll tear both motors apart to see which one has the least amount of internal wear ..no serious, if I had the cash I would love to build a D-Max Regular Cab 4x4 to race..sled pulling is kinda pointless,but still fun to watch anyway. Now my hats off to Nick D and Mike Tomac for sure their trucks are the real deal..

[DmaxMaverick]

Read the articles.

The pull off is on the highway, pulling a heavy trailer up a grade. Not unlike what was going on in that video.

BTW...
Lots of high mileage Duramax's out there. A lot less have blown up or worn out than Cummins. Don't believe it? Find a blown or worn out Duramax, then come back and we'll continue the longevity argument.

[Cummnz]

Tomac won't tell you how many engines he's gone through, neither will Nick..
Stock VS. Stock...Cummins has been on the road many more years and has quite the track record compared to Duramax..although D-max has a pretty good one from 01' til present day.Bias or not, you can't argue the track record of Cummins in the long haul.

[Tough Guy]

Tomac won't tell you how many engines he's gone through, neither will Nick..
Stock VS. Stock...Cummins has been on the road many more years and has quite the track record compared to Duramax..although D-max has a pretty good one from 01' til present day.Bias or not, you can't argue the track record of Cummins in the long haul.

Click this LINK

Give it a read.

Chris